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http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...ces-growing-in-popularity-20140221-hvddr.html

The figures released as part of the company's first half year financial results on Friday, show 130,759 premises had an active NBN service on December 31, with a sevenfold increase in fibre users to 80,077.

The company said 23 per cent of end-users were connected to the 100/40 Mbps (download/upload) wholesale service, a decline of 2 per cent over the preceding six months.

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Meanwhile, use of the median 25/5 Mbps service increased to 29 per cent, from 23 per cent previously, and usage of the most popular plan, the 12/1 Mbps service, dropped from 46 per cent to 42 per cent.

The average speed ordered and provisioned across all fibre subscribers was 38 Mbps, a slight decrease of 1 Mbps since 30 June 2013.

Seems there IS demand for high speed internet access in Australia.
 
https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/

good for a laugh.

My address results:

The broadband availability and quality information below is based on the services likely to be available to the 294 residential and/or business premises identified as being within a green boundary*.

*The green boundary (NEWT:89) sits within the Exchange Service Area of NEWTOWN, NSW, shown as a blue boundary.

Overall Fixed Broadband Availability A
This is the highest availability rating. Between 80 and 100 per cent of premises in the area surrounding your address have access to at least one broadband technology.

Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line (ADSL) quality > B
The average speed of the ADSL services delivered over the copper network in your area fall into the B category when compared to the ADSL services available in other areas.
The estimated median ADSL speed for your area is (Mbps): > 17.05

I'm getting a tad over 10Mbs so I'd love to know how 50% of broadband users in my area are getting OVER 17Mbs

Mobile broadband availability > Very good availability
The area surrounding your address has very good access to mobile broadband services.
Mobile broadband quality > 4G coverage
Where mobile broadband services are available in your local area, they will typically offer speeds of between 2-50 Mbps downstream and 1-10 Mbps upstream. 3G services will also be available providing 1-20 Mbps downstream and up to 3 Mbps upstream.

Just WOW. Between 2-50 down and 1-10 up. They might as well say the whole of Australia gets the same result. My 4G has never tested over 27Mbs, even in the CBD early morning.

If this is how the Government is going to decide who gets broadband upgrades, well it's certainly not very representative data. Come on Malcolm, I thought there was anti cherry picking laws.

When I compare the results to http://www.adsl2exchanges.com.au/viewexchange.php?Exchange=NEWT and the heatmap that people have updated with their download speeds, I'm not seeing more than 50% over that magical 17Mbs mark.
 
sydboy007 said:
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/govern...ces-growing-in-popularity-20140221-hvddr.html

The figures released as part of the company's first half year financial results on Friday, show 130,759 premises had an active NBN service on December 31, with a sevenfold increase in fibre users to 80,077.

The company said 23 per cent of end-users were connected to the 100/40 Mbps (download/upload) wholesale service, a decline of 2 per cent over the preceding six months.

Meanwhile, use of the median 25/5 Mbps service increased to 29 per cent, from 23 per cent previously, and usage of the most popular plan, the 12/1 Mbps service, dropped from 46 per cent to 42 per cent.

The average speed ordered and provisioned across all fibre subscribers was 38 Mbps, a slight decrease of 1 Mbps since 30 June 2013.

Seems there IS demand for high speed internet access in Australia.
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Show me one person (on ASF, or in Australia in general), that wouldn't mind paying exactly the same as they are now (or even cheaper), for faster/more reliable internet ????


Ford
Holden
Mitsubishi
Toyota
Telstra
Shell (Clyde/Geelong)
Caltex (Kurnell)
Banking
Qantas
Virgin


Which company isn't leaving this country (or moving staff offshore)? I don't think we have a choice, jobs are leaving this country in droves, if we (as a nation) don't develop an industry (technology), we will bite the dust, hard...

I'm for the NBN, as long as it is done properly, first time.
 
Some insight on the upcoming FTTN trials,

The FTTB pilot will test the rollout of high speed VDSL broadband to end users in ten apartment complexes and office blocks in the suburbs of Carlton, Brunswick and Parkville in Melbourne.

Fibre optic cables are being delivered to a telecommunications node located in the communications rooms of the buildings. This box will connect to the existing in-building wiring, enabling retail service providers (RSPs) to deliver broadband to individual premises. Switkowski said a technology trial in December, in advance of the participation of end users and RSPs, produced download speeds of 108 Mbps and upload speeds of 48Mbps.

The FTTN pilot is in two locations: Umina near Woy Woy on the NSW Central Coast and Epping in Melbourne’s northern suburbs. The company will construct two small scale Copper Serving Area Modules, erecting kerbside node cabinets which will connect NBN fibre to spare copper pairs in the Telstra pillar.

Once active, NBN Co will invite RSPs to participate in a FTN end user trial. This limited term trial will test the delivery of high speed broadband via FTTN to up to 100 premises at each location.
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http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/63236-turnbull’s-nbn-morphs-into-shape

The weekly rollout summary or the week ending 16 February 2014 is as follows,

This weekly report by NBN Co of network rollout progress reflects the Government’s requirements for greater transparency as set out in its 24 September 2013 Statement of Expectations to NBN Co. This shows rollout progress as of last Sunday 16 February 2014.

A total of 4,018 additional lots/premises were passed/covered by the network during the week, of which 3,245 were in Brownfield and 737 were in Greenfield areas. Fixed wireless coverage increased by 36 premises During the week an additional 3,333 premises had services activated on the network, including 2,817 on fixed line services and 516 using satellite and fixed wireless technologies.
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http://www.nbnco.com.au/about-us/weekly-progress-report.html

My bolds.
 
sydboy007 said:
https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/

good for a laugh.
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It's copping a pummelling for being somewhat :eek: optimistic in its estimates: http://delimiter.com.au/2014/02/26/mybroadband-tracker-overestimates-broadband-speeds/

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And here's my own result from this morning, as a graphic. Interesting how a bit of rain just destroys my speed. I usually manage 12-15Mbps, but after a small storm last night I'm down to 8.6, even though 60% of the copper between my place and the exchange is less than 3 years old. Yep, Telstra's copper will be fine for FTTN….

My-broadband-sham.jpg​
 
drsmith said:
Broadband Availability and Quality Report December 2013.

https://www.mybroadband.communications.gov.au/upload/documents/Final_report (2).pdf

I haven't read it. The link for information.
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What a joke that paper is.

According to their calculations, about 34% of premises can currently get 21Mbps or more over ADSL2+.

With a tailwind, I could throw a paper plane to my local exchange yet I only get 12-15Mbps in dry weather, or <10 in wet weather.


If they're going to stick to fantasy like that, then I guess it will be a snap to deliver 25Mbps to everyone by 2019. :rolleyes:
 
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/03/04/fttn_who_will_fix_the_mess/

Raises a very interesting question on who pays for any new lead in cables that the FTTN rollout requires.



Does anybody know how many shared lead-in pipes there are in Australia?
If not, any prediction of the cost of the project is moonshine.

What of the cost to the consumer?
When a permanent termination is attached to the front of my house, I (not Telstra) will need to pay for an electrician to pull a customer-side cable three metres. Remember the News Limited scare-story that consumers would have to re-wire their homes for the NBN? Any new lead-in will mean a customer-paid-for tech call.

Is it worth it?
VDSL-plus-vectoring isn't going to magic-bullet my pathetic broadband speed. My brand-new lead-in plus repairs to the cable outside gets me 25 per cent of an ADSL2+ service, and I'm a 650m cable run from where the node would be installed. In other words, the government's spend on me, when and if, will probably get me about 20 Mbps

Note; At 650M he might get 50Mbs but NBN is no longer going to guarantee speeds so the writer could be right depending on the quality of the remaining copper.
 
From this...

Speed 2011-02-20.JPG

To this....

Speedtest 2014-02-08.png

This improvement was from upgrading from a Telstra ADSL 2+ connection to a Telstra Cable connection.
 
nulla nulla said:
From this...

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To this....

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This improvement was from upgrading from a Telstra ADSL 2+ connection to a Telstra Cable connection.
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Lucky you. Quite a few people on whirlpool report atrocious speeds on Telstra cable. You must be on a relatively non congested cable servicing area.

Was that test run at peak time - say 6pm till 9pm?

What's the cost difference?

Not much joy though for the 2/3 of households outside the HFC network.
 
sydboy007 said:
Lucky you. Quite a few people on whirlpool report atrocious speeds on Telstra cable. You must be on a relatively non congested cable servicing area.
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Multiple users in the area for Foxtel and Bigpond internet.


sydboy007 said:
Was that test run at peak time - say 6pm till 9pm?
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Last test was run at 9:47pm, download speed is fairly constant around the 108-113m/ps throughout the day with 2-3 pc's/laptops connected for normal browsing and live asx data streaming. Not sure what would happen if someone started downloading movies .

sydboy007 said:
What's the cost difference?
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Telstra Max bundle $135 per month includes: 200gig internet; Landline rental; all local calls; STD calls, calls mobiles; and a mobile sim with 500meg allowance for data. Worked out less than the cost of separate: adsl 2+ with 100gig; landline for adsl; and call charges.

sydboy007 said:
Not much joy though for the 2/3 of households outside the HFC network.
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Just running on Telstra cable, not sure extent of population covered but similar bundles/speeds would be available with Optus cable.
 
nulla nulla said:
Multiple users in the area for Foxtel and Bigpond internet.

Last test was run at 9:47pm, download speed is fairly constant around the 108-113m/ps throughout the day with 2-3 pc's/laptops connected for normal browsing and live asx data streaming. Not sure what would happen if someone started downloading movies .

Telstra Max bundle $135 per month includes: 200gig internet; Landline rental; all local calls; STD calls, calls mobiles; and a mobile sim with 500meg allowance for data. Worked out less than the cost of separate: adsl 2+ with 100gig; landline for adsl; and call charges.

Just running on Telstra cable, not sure extent of population covered but similar bundles/speeds would be available with Optus cable.
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You must be lucky to not have heavy users on your cable section.

$135 seems not to bad for what you're getting, but an advantage of the NBN is being able to get rid of the land line expense. With mobile cap plans I rarely use a land line except to make a cheap VOIP 10c untimed international call or calling a 1800 for free.

I have ADSL2+ with mynetfone (optus DSLAM) for $50 a month with 200GB (doesn't count uploads which Telstra does) along with their free whirlpool VOIP account with phone number at $10 for 3 years and find their service pretty good.

I get unlimited calls and 2GB of data with my mobile - total cost $110 / month with extra for the international calls.

If that Telstra deal was in my area I'd be tempted, but only if I was getting similar performance to you, but cable is like ADSL and an UP TO technology. It will cost billions to get it up to NBN levels for where it's been rolled out. At least with fibre NBN you get your allocated bandwidth and much less chances of congestion slowing you down.
 
drsmith said:
The growth in brownfields passed has slowed to an average of about 3,400 per week over the past 4 weeks, but the number on service class zero has ceased increasing and started to decline.

http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/nbnco-rollout-metrics-09032014.pdf.pdf
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Well talking from personal experience, the holiday home in Mandurah, which has the box and optical fibre on the wall.
Still can't be connected, the distribution box is just down the road, so that's not an issue.lol

Just another stuff up, unfortunately the coalition will wear it.:xyxthumbs
 
As suspected Turnbulls loaded NBN review overlooked many key costing components.


The committee – which began operating on 14 November with a remit to inquire into the government's reviews of the NBN and the governance of NBN Co – called out seven key deficiencies that it had identified with the Coalition policy and the Strategic Review it delivered in December. These include the findings that the Strategic Review:

Estimated a revised deployment schedule that is at odds with NBN Co's current run rate – allowing the Review to “strip out” $11.6 billion in revenues from the Labor model and adding $13 billion to the Strategic Review's calculation of peak funding;

Ignores $4 billion in architectural savings that had already been signed off by previous NBN Co management;

Increased estimates of the capital expenditure of the fibre build by $14.4 billion despite evidence from NBN Co and the Department of Finance;

Uses “overly pessimistic revenue assumptions” for the FttP NBN that “do not reflect existing strong demand for NBN services” and ignore “important elements of broadband quality”;

Assumes “without direct explanation” that Labor will fly a third satellite in 2021, increasing the estimated cost of the satellite deployment without including revenues from that service in its projections';

Includes costs and revenues for the Multi Technology Mix through its assumed completion, but excludes $15 billion worth of revenues that would be obtained from the fibre build after 2021;

Acknowledges that the government's multi-technology model will need to be upgraded within five years but ignores the costs of these upgrades in calculating the total cost of the model.
http://www.zdnet.com/senate-committee-finds-fttn-nbn-inadequate-recommends-fttp-7000027728/
 
Well, I still haven't had contact to say the NBN is available, the box has been on the wall for quite a few months now.

Checking back through the thread it was October, what a laugh, all the existing contracts to be honoured and still no connection.

Actually now most people I know, are migrating to 4g wireless and mobile.lol
 
sptrawler said:
Well, I still haven't had contact to say the NBN is available, the box has been on the wall for quite a few months now.

Checking back through the thread it was October, what a laugh, all the existing contracts to be honoured and still no connection.

Actually now most people I know, are migrating to 4g wireless and mobile.lol
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Your friends must either be very rich and/or very low users of data, given the massive cost of replacing ADSL with 4G for an average user consuming ~50GB per month. It would cost between $370 and $650 (Telstra/Optus), compared to ~$50 on ADSL or NBN.

And then there's the physical issues, which would prevent everyone doing so. Cue the CSIRO's latest report, which just repeats what everyone in the industry has been saying for years, but Jones, Bolt et al and their merry band of technical ignoramuses cannot grasp: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/w...l-fail-as-the-world-sucks-up-bandwidth-2014-4

Big cities are fast approaching the point of peak data where user demand for wireless internet, telephony and other services can no longer be met by the available radio frequency spectrum.

The CSIRO, which invented the wireless technology in the 1990s, released a report, World Without Wires, today showing we are faced with a finite resource and growing demands to use it.

etc etc
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