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SYDNEY, Nov 10 (Reuters) - Citigroup Investment Research has

downgraded its rating on National Australia Bank Ltd. <NAB.AX> to

"sell" from "hold" and said the stock appeared overpriced and

restructuring benefits would be slower than anticipated.

"While NAB's rate of revenue growth impressed, expense growth

also looks likely to exceed our initial estimates," Citigroup

analysts Craig Williams and Neil Murchie said in a report.

Citigroup, which kept a 12-month share price target of A$31,

added: "Extracting costs will be more difficult and take time."

Shares in Australia's biggest bank, which is cutting jobs as

part of a restructuring plan, were down 2.4 percent at A$32.38 by

10:52 a.m. (2352 GMT) in a broader market 0.16 percent weaker.

Goldman Sachs JBWere also downgraded its long-term rating on

NAB to "hold" from "buy" and cut its earnings forecasts, while

Credit Suisse First Boston favours other banks.

"NAB have chosen to trade nearer term cost leverage for

longer term revenue growth," Goldman Sachs analyst James Freeman

said in a report. "While this decision may benefit the longer

term trajectory, this has resulted in our returns profile being

pushed out, thus leaving medium term valuations challenging."

NAB posted on Wednesday a better-than-expected 2.6 percent

rise in second-half cash earnings per share, which is earnings

before goodwill amortisation and one-off items, but said

moderating economies would pose challenges to business growth.

"Overall, the result confirmed to us our theme of NAB being a

fully priced restructuring story, with NAB's restructuring on

track -- rather than ahead -- to deliver the turnaround story as

expected, rather than something better," Credit Suisse First

Boston analysts Nick Selvaratnam and James Ellis said.

CSFB said there were better risk/reward trade-offs in St

George Bank Ltd. <SGB.AX>, Westpac Banking Corp. <WBC.AX> and

Australia and New Zealand Banking Group Ltd. <ANZ.AX>.

"The key risk to our NAB investment view is the possibility

of a divestment of the UK franchises at any time," Selvaratnam

and Ellis said. They retained a "neutral" rating on NAB.

Goldman Sachs lowered its 2006, 2007 and 2008 diluted cash

earnings per share forecasts by 3.4 percent, 4.1 percent and 2.2

percent, respectively.

UBS raised its 12-month share price target on NAB to A$31.80

from A$30.84 and trimmed its 2006 forecast by 0.5 percent, saying

the biggest caveat on the bank was its "stretched valuation."

"Turnaround appears to be underway, albeit slowly," UBS

analysts Jeff Emmanuel, Jonathan Mott and Ross Curran said in a

report. "Numerous pressure points are holding forecasts down."

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Re: NAB - Ready to go up?

These type of analyst reports have came out a couple of times this year but none of them can get it right exactly even though they try. None of these analysts can be exact as they are only making assumptions on some of the information that they have before them. The low earnings growth of between 3 and 4 % between 2006 and 2008 has to be rembered that the analysts are discounting the growth to NPV net present value and the share price as well so they have compounded the inflation and deducted to reduce the increases; this they will not mention as the average person wont be able to work that out and they cannot be exactly accused of under rating the growth or share price. As for the share price they have also dicounted its value as well in other words if the share price in one year from now is going to be $36 they will say $32 as the value is discounted.

Something for us to think about when these analysts speak.
 
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brisvegas said:
31.80 - 32.00 is probable first supp level . personally wouldnt get involved in NAB myself currently

........... pete

Thats a really big gap appearing on the graph today and with a stock like NAB it wont be long before it is filled. Sellers must have forgot to get their dividend, so the selling pressure should'nt last to long. ????
 
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NAB is now on it's way back up after a low of 32.04.

This would have made a very nice day trade for someone, today. Not me though I bought at 32.47 and sold at 32.28. :swear:
 
Re: NAB - Ready to go up?

Well the corporates are getting back from their lunch and 31.40 is holding.

MIT
 
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Yippyio said:
NAB is now on it's way back up after a low of 32.04.

This would have made a very nice day trade for someone, today. Not me though I bought at 32.47 and sold at 32.28. :swear:

And I am still sitting down there at $32.00... waiting.. :hammer: :swear:
 
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TheAnalyst said:
Did you buy call warrants or the actual stock??

I was looking for DMA cfd's, and am still looking (didn't quite reach me at my price of $32.00) :swear:
 
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Kauri said:
I was looking for DMA cfd's, and am still looking (didn't quite reach me at my price of $32.00) :swear:


you will get another chance . 32.00 is probably tad too low to get a fill being psychological level . 32.10 would have got you a fill . plenty of people will have same idea as you no doubt . have to be ahead of the crowd , if it trades at 32.00 the worry will be if it runs the stops that no doubt would be right under that level fwiw



............. pete
 
Re: NAB - Ready to go up?

brisvegas said:
you will get another chance . 32.00 is probably tad too low to get a fill being psychological level . 32.10 would have got you a fill . plenty of people will have same idea as you no doubt . have to be ahead of the crowd , if it trades at 32.00 the worry will be if it runs the stops that no doubt would be right under that level fwiw
............. pete

I agree about the psychological barrier at 32.00. In hindsight I might have had my support/res. line a tad too low at 31.90. What I had planned was if she came down to that line and bounced I would get on at 32.00 and try to take as much out of the days bounce as possible. In the current market I have found a few where they fall rapidly to a major supp/res level that coincides with a good trendline and bounce quite strongly. I think I have missed this one..
 

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Kauri said:
I agree about the psychological barrier at 32.00. In hindsight I might have had my support/res. line a tad too low at 31.90. What I had planned was if she came down to that line and bounced I would get on at 32.00 and try to take as much out of the days bounce as possible. In the current market I have found a few where they fall rapidly to a major supp/res level that coincides with a good trendline and bounce quite strongly. I think I have missed this one..

Hi Kauri

I bought call warrants the other day when i posted to you NABwmc NABWMA but now i reckon next week you will get your chance to get back in again at maybe $32 but i have gone short today on the Put warrants and plan to sit there and wait.

THis aint advice its my opinion.
 
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TheAnalyst said:
Hi Kauri

I bought call warrants the other day when i posted to you NABwmc NABWMA but now i reckon next week you will get your chance to get back in again at maybe $32 but i have gone short today on the Put warrants and plan to sit there and wait.

THis aint advice its my opinion.

If she respects the T/A I'd say that you have called it right....again :iagree:
 

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Re: NAB - Ready to go up?

Have been following NAB very closely for the last couple of months after it broke out of its trend. Sitting in a tight range between the .5 and .618 fib retracement of the fall. Volume has fallen away and each day's trading range has been much narrower than average. Several bars can be seen with long tails showing strong rejection of lower prices, but does today's bar with a close near the bottom suggest sellers are starting to win the arm wrestle and a move back below the recent support is imminent?

I guess we'll see in the coming days - anyone else following?
 

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Wow it's been well over a year since anyone has spoken about NAB as a share!

Anyone know why it's going gangbusters today??
 
Anyone know why it's going gangbusters today??

It's not just today - check out the past two weeks!

I've been thinking the same. Doctor J, as the last one to post before today, do you follow this stock? Can you offer any perspective?

(holding, happily)
 

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wow didnt notice. It was recovering kinda slowish from the slump and then since start of april shooting vertical haha. cool :)
no big anouncements listed.
 
Is this recent drop related to the US sub-prime problem in some way? Todays SP is its lowest since early Dec 06. For one of the four pillars, this is some sick puppy!

FN Arena reports that there is speculation about that policy:

ABN Amro tips 2008 as the year that Australia’s official four pillars policy for the banking sector might come to an end. For what it’s worth: ANZ and National are seen as the most complimentary, but Westpac is believed to be interested in a tie-in with one of the other three as well.
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Current FNArena ranking, Buy/Hold/Sell ratios and average target price (between second brackets suggested share price upside):
#1 Westpac 6/4/0 ($28.58) (+7.97%)
#2 ANZ 4/6/0 ($31.76) (+8.95%)
#3 CommBank 4/4/2 ($55.88) (-1.10%)

#4 National 4/5/1($42.83) (+7.07%)
#5 St George 0/9/1 ($35.76) (+0.09%)

Source: The Banking Sector Wrap - Week To Wednesday July 25
FN Arena News - July 26 2007
By Greg Peel and Rudi Filapek-Vandyck

Any views/insights (positive or negative) on the future of this stock??
 

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If we take everything account.

For the NAB to bum in the ass.... we would ask ourselves this question

Are house prices rising?
Is the economy growing?
Are there jobs to find easily?


This is very simplistic but if you can answer yes to all questions, then the banks should do okay in the economic climate!

Corrections are corrections...
 
Chart wise signs were there to go short on the NAB when it broke under $39.00

The chart looks ugly. Very similar to PGL in its drop...

But you know if you're buying NAB at current prices, long term buying is good value.

Suck it in. If you want a big piece of the NAB you will get your opportunity over the next month...

Buy along the time line, average your price out and you should do okay..
 
NAB starting to look more interesting, but maybe it's just following the XAO...or is that the other way around......:confused:.

Maybe it's another sign of XAO as a potential breakout...

Jumping that 200d ma will be encouraging...
 

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