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No, the media should not have the freedom to publish whatever crap they want - they should be held accountable to publish only truthful facts and objectively neutral articles without bias.

How can you ask that of the media, when you don't even ask truthfulness from your political leaders?

How can gillard take the press to task, when she can't hold herself up as an example?

The truth and diligent carrying out of ones duties, is the the last thing this government should be taking anyone to task for.
 
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No, the media should not have the freedom to publish whatever crap they want - they should be held accountable to publish only truthful facts and objectively neutral articles without bias.
That's one of the silliest statements you've made yet, Star.
So you would have us do away with all opinion pieces and commentary it seems.
The entire media would succumb to a passive death.

And, for that matter, what to you would be 'objectively neutral' would be highly biased to someone else. We all have bias.
 
The media provides information to the general public so that they can make informed decisions on politics, economics and other aspects of their life. I feel that an informed decision can only be made if that person has access to a range of facts AND opinions. Therefore, variety within "the industry" is beneficial to the public.

Any move by Government to censor or alter the many facts and opinions that are reported by the media, would not be in the interest of the public as it would hinder their decision-making process/outcome. Likewise, any move by "The Media" to purposely neglect or alter any significant facts and/or opinions would not be in the interest of the public.

Unfortunately, the current move by the Government is not in the best interest of the public as for the reasons stated above. However, I do not feel that the government is entirely to blame. Media ownership in Australia is concentrated amongst a select few (e.g. 70% of newspapers owned by Murdoch) which IMO would only serve to limit the range of facts and opinions required by the public to create informed decision.
The solution, in my opinion, would be to reduce this concentrated ownership either by restricting future media ownership for these individuals; subsidising new media ventures; or to dissolve large media companies into smaller, individual companies.
 
Wasn't it this government that relaxed cross media ownership regulations.?
 
News is closer to 32% of titles (full or partly owned) and 60% of newspapers sold, for 56% of the revenue. But remember, it has zero% of ABC radio and television, and zero% of SBS. And in terms of overall balance, the Canberra press gallery seem a bit of a herd, always sympathetic to the one side of politics.

I might also, mischievously, suggest that News would receive 100% of the scrutiny of a hypothetical new Finkelstein Report inspired media council. Not true of course, but you know where I'm coming from.

News is big, but certainly not dominant by: Stephen Brook From: The Australian August 15, 2011 http://www.theaustralian.com.au/med...nly-not-dominant/story-e6frg996-1226114841518

"IT'S a statistical half-truth repeated so frequently it has become gospel: "News Limited controls 70 per cent of Australia's newspaper readership market."

Except that the company doesn't and never has.."
 

No, the government should not have the freedom to tell us whatever crap they want - they should be held accountable to tell us only truthful facts and not spin.


Freedom of speech is when both sides of the debate get an opportunity to air their points.

Why censor one side of the debate and not the other.

If the powerful government is able to stretch the truth (using ABC, SBS, paid advisors eg Tim F, etc) why can't individuals do this as well?
 
Lawyers and academics propose more regulation? It's hardly news
Gerard Henderson March 6, 2012.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...hardly-news-20120305-1ue68.html#ixzz1oHgmfdUn

" According to Finkelstein, members of the council should be appointed by a committee headed by “three senior academics”. Why not butchers, or bakers or candlestick makers? Finkelstein does not say.

However, a hint to his thinking is contained in the report’s introduction. It points out that, since much work had to be done in a short time, it was “necessary to appoint a team to assist with aspects of the report”. It turns out that Finkelstein’s team consisted mainly of left-wing academics and some barristers along with two Monash University law students. Enough said."
 

In other words Finklestein's team was stacked with people who hate the concept of a free press. It is just as blatant as stacking with ex-union officials as FWA is.
 
I think everyone should hold their horses and see what is recommended.

I have heard the major recommendation is that when a media outlet publish lies or make mistakes, it will be necessary to publish an apology detailing the error.

I can see why Newscorp is scared of this due to their looseness with facts but I am confident will be a good thing. I suppose that is because I hate propaganda.

It will effect everyone equally so if the ABC get the facts wrong, they can also be pulled up.

The press say they do this off their own self regulation but we know this is untrue.

It won't effect inherent biases.
 
It will effect everyone equally so if the ABC get the facts wrong, they can also be pulled up.

No chance at all of everyone being effected equally if the Council is appointed as recommended or is selected and financed by the government.
 
No chance at all of everyone being effected equally if the Council is appointed as recommended or is selected and financed by the government.

We don't know that. It could be run from complaints by the public.
 
I suppose that is because I hate propaganda.

What about spin?

It will effect everyone equally so if the ABC get the facts wrong, they can also be pulled up.

How can a fact be wrong?

No group of advisers or consultants appointed by the government can be independent. They know they are there to do the government's bidding. Which in this case is censorship.

I think that all TV channel newsreaders should stick to the facts and not intersperse the news with opinion. Censorship, however, should be left to the totalitarian states.

We don't know that. It could be run from complaints by the public.

There would be a flood of complaints daily from the loony left against the great satan, The Australian.
 

Bingo Dutchie... effectively highlighting the monumental hypocrisy of the gu'mints position.
 
Ever watched media watch?

Even media watch can't disprove a fact. Opinions are often thrown around loosely on this forum as facts

Wikipedia
 
Neutrality is subjective.

Only to a point. If you have some sort of a sensationalist new report poo pooing some government initiative without both sides of the argument properly represented - then it's pretty clear there is zero neutrality involved.


How can you ask that of the media, when you don't even ask truthfulness from your political leaders?

I ask truthfulness from everyone. However it's most important that the media be truthful since they more than anyone else sculpt public opinion.

How can gillard take the press to task, when she can't hold herself up as an example?

That's irrelevant because she would have nothing to do with taking the press to task.

The truth and diligent carrying out of ones duties, is the the last thing this government should be taking anyone to task for.

Mmhmm.

That's one of the silliest statements you've made yet, Star.
So you would have us do away with all opinion pieces and commentary it seems.

Opinion pieces portrayed as news yes. Otherwise this has nothing to do with them.

And, for that matter, what to you would be 'objectively neutral' would be highly biased to someone else. We all have bias.

That's pretty irrelevant as the proposed government scheme simply calls for the media to correct themselves when they make mistakes.

Why censor one side of the debate and not the other.

I have no idea, just like I have no idea what it has to do with the proposed government initiative to better regulate media.

If the powerful government is able to stretch the truth (using ABC, SBS, paid advisors eg Tim F, etc) why can't individuals do this as well?

Powerful government? Please. If I was in charge of government, then people like Rina Fatso would be in jail for the rest of their life with all their money stripped away from them and all resource rights with all royalties squarely in the hands of Australians. This government is not powerful, it is pathetically weak.

ABC and SBS have some of the best programming and news because they are non-commercial channels so they don't have to present sensationalist bull**** for ratings. If I ever watch anything on TV, it is those two channels exclusively. Any commercial channel is an absolute abomination.


Now the problem we have is clear. Filthy disgusting mining lardballs with billions of dollars stolen from Australian citizens are using this money to buy up media outlets in Australia. The reason they are doing this is to influence public opinion away from them having to pay any tax for stealing our national treasures and otherwise pursue their own personal vested interests as they stage an all-out economic warfare on hard working Australians.

This clearly must be stopped. We have many regulatory bodies already which are recognised by everyone as being extremely important. APRA, ACCC, ASIC - the TIO do absolute wonders. There is nothing but the absolute best that will come from better regulation of the media.
 
That's irrelevant because she would have nothing to do with taking the press to task.

What rot! As I said above;

No group of advisers or consultants appointed by the government can be independent. They know they are there to do the government's bidding. Which in this case is censorship.

I know you ABC lovers hate News Ltd. But the Fairfax press also slams the report.;


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...as-precious-20120305-1uefg.html#ixzz1oK29Lw5D
 
I know you ABC lovers hate News Ltd. But the Fairfax press also slams the report.;

Well actually she would not appoint them. Nor would the government. The government (as opposed to Ms. Gillard) would appoint several people who would then appoint the people who oversee the regulations.

Also, I am not a supporter of any media company - be it Fairfax nor News Ltd. Of course it is only natural that any industry would do it's best to protest any regulation which is being discussed in relation to it.

I do not give any credibility to any such protest because of the obvious nature of vested interests present there. Indeed - it only gives further purpose to the proposed regulations.
 
Well actually she would not appoint them. Nor would the government. The government (as opposed to Ms. Gillard) would appoint several people who would then appoint the people who oversee the regulations.

Your usual juvenile garbage. Grow up.
 
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