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China, miners headed for price showdown


November 23, 2005 - 9:11PM


Iron ore miners and Chinese steel mills are headed for a showdown over annual price negotiations with China tipped to demand lower iron ore prices.
Many Chinese steel mills are struggling to hold their heads above water after this year's 71.5 per cent increase in the benchmark price of iron ore, according to China's biggest steel maker Baosteel.

The big three iron ore miners, Australia's BHP Billiton and Rio Tinto and Brazil's CVRD, negotiate annually with Chinese and Japanese steel mills to secure benchmark prices, which will be settled early in 2006.

Japan traditionally sets its benchmark prices first and AME Mineral Economics associate director Dallas Horadam is tipping Japanese mills will agree on a higher price for iron ore supply.

"AME forecasts a 20 per cent price rise for fines (iron ore) in Japanese financial year 2006," Mr Horadam said.

"It depends on how negotiations go but there are a lot of potential different outcomes."

However industry consultancy Caiani & Co director Carlo Caiani believed China, which has now overtaken Japan as the world's largest importer of iron ore, would not agree to higher prices and was instead pushing for a price reduction.

He said as China grew its own domestic iron ore production it had more bargaining power with the big three miners.

"We firmly believe that they are gearing up for one of the hottest, contested, iron ore price negotiations we have seen in a long while," Mr Caiani said at the Asia Pacific Iron Ore Conference.

"They will increase their own production because at crazy prices like we have today it is actually cheaper for them to produce their own."

Major Chinese steel mills were still angry at BHP Billiton which tried to secure an additional 10 per cent increase on top of the 71.5 per cent hike earlier this year, he said.

BHP Billiton pushed for higher prices to bring it into line with the price of other countries' iron ore, which included higher freight costs.

Mr Caiani said he expected BHP Billiton would again push for the freight differential rate, but thought they would not get it.

"We are predicting a 20 per cent reduction in iron ore prices this year," he said.

Instead he tipped China would import more ore from Brazil, India and Russia, reducing its intake from Australia.

AME's Mr Horadam said the Chinese market was over-supplied currently but overall the market remained tight.

Ding Shouhu, the deputy general manager of the raw materials department at China's largest steel mill Baosteel, said steel output had now overtaken demand in China.

Mr Ding expected a lower growth rate in consumption in 2006 but the fast growing real estate and construction sectors would continue to increase steel use.

© 2005 AAP

 
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In my honest humble opinion, I do think that the Chinese are playing funny buggers at present, however having said that, BHP,RIO & CVRD are on the ball, so i am sure they are going to push for the best outcome regardless!!!

After reading that article, I have confused thoughts which I'm sure the rest of you have too!!

MGX fundamentals I guess will not change regardless of price rise or not!!!
 
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johnno261 said:
In my honest humble opinion, I do think that the Chinese are playing funny buggers at present, however having said that, BHP,RIO & CVRD are on the ball, so i am sure they are going to push for the best outcome regardless!!!

After reading that article, I have confused thoughts which I'm sure the rest of you have too!!

MGX fundamentals I guess will not change regardless of price rise or not!!!
You said it...MGX fundamentals will not change...as they are now in positive CASHFLOW....and NO DEBTS.....as they further develop so will their SP reflect Value.....brokers have a $1.25 value on this stock....see www.mtgibsoniron.com.au and all been valued by a broker...so we can expect a price increase of 50%..someone is working this sp as the Chinese will be paying 75cents for 60 million shares....I can see upside here to at least 50%...as for the information I have got
 
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chicken said:
You said it...MGX fundamentals will not change...as they are now in positive CASHFLOW....and NO DEBTS.....as they further develop so will their SP reflect Value.....brokers have a $1.25 value on this stock....see www.mtgibsoniron.com.au and all been valued by a broker...so we can expect a price increase of 50%..someone is working this sp as the Chinese will be paying 75cents for 60 million shares....I can see upside here to at least 50%...as for the information I have got
I am just reading XSTRATA looking to buy into IRON ORE miners just wondering if they have been playing the two step with MGX...would not be surprised....they are on a lookout....quite frankly I dont like them to have on the register....they cut you to pieces...my shares are not for sale at present prices.
 
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chicken said:
I am just reading XSTRATA looking to buy into IRON ORE miners just wondering if they have been playing the two step with MGX...would not be surprised....they are on a lookout....quite frankly I dont like them to have on the register....they cut you to pieces...my shares are not for sale at present prices.

Chicken, can you please show me the link to the XSTRATA stuff re IRON ORE aquisitions. Cheers
 
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johnno261 said:
Chicken, can you please show me the link to the XSTRATA stuff re IRON ORE aquisitions. Cheers
I read it in mining news.net dated the 25th Nov 2005 their website www.aspermont.com and they give you a free trial...anyway its on their website......I only get a page now everyday of their latest development...check it out :2twocents
 
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chicken said:
I read it in mining news.net dated the 25th Nov 2005 their website www.aspermont.com and they give you a free trial...anyway its on their website......I only get a page now everyday of their latest development...check it out :2twocents

Thanks Chicken. I actually found some stuff on XSTRATA's interest in aquiring Iron Ore P/L's. via GOOGLE NEWS page!!!!! Cheers Again
 
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Hmmm...not a bad day of trading today. Haven't seen this sorta movement in a while. Perhaps we're about to take off. Or will the manipulator kick back into action? Will be interested to see what happens tommorrow
 
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Lucstar said:
Hmmm...not a bad day of trading today. Haven't seen this sorta movement in a while. Perhaps we're about to take off. Or will the manipulator kick back into action? Will be interested to see what happens tommorrow

Indeed, tomorrow will be an interesting day. It will confirm a breakout status. Hopefully it won't get sold back down to 79/80 as has been the case for the past 8 weeks whilst this accumulation stage has been taking place.
Ready for take off!!!!
 
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Looking good so far guys...looks like it ain't going to be sold back down to $0.8. Hopefully i haven't too soon and we go all the way today. Get ready and strap yourselves in guys.
 
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Guys this is fantastic.
MGX is up to 0.835 (2.45%up) now. How come you all r so quiet? Anyone else sharing the excitement? I mean i know it isnt much of a big increase. But at least it seems that the manipulation has ended...for now.

Interested to hear other's comments
 
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yeah this one looked fantastic heading towards close yesterday,., CAZ, ECH, IOH AQD all look for some good trades.. any other ironore plays? I just want to catch the ride then move onto the next big thing
 
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Hmmm...it seems like the manipulation is still active. Check out the the sell order at 0.855 for 1 share! However, i think the manipulator is struggling to fight the market force and that this share will not be sold back down today even though the manipulator still wants to .

Just my thoughts.
Happy to hear other's comments
 
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Lucstar said:
Hmmm...it seems like the manipulation is still active. Check out the the sell order at 0.855 for 1 share! However, i think the manipulator is struggling to fight the market force and that this share will not be sold back down today even though the manipulator still wants to

Just my thoughts.
Happy to hear other's comments

When 1 share appears in the order line it signifies a broker cross trade, nothing sinister... :)
 
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Lucstar said:
Hmmm...it seems like the manipulation is still active. Check out the the sell order at 0.855 for 1 share! However, i think the manipulator is struggling to fight the market force and that this share will not be sold back down today even though the manipulator still wants to

Just my thoughts.
Happy to hear other's comments
I think yes a broker/trader is still trying but the market dictates...see the 20K shares sold at 84.5c....he is trying but this stock will get red hot in December....Chinese are buying their shares and the Iron ore price may be available....Iron ore will be hot in December.....
 
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chicken said:
I think yes a broker/trader is still trying but the market dictates...see the 20K shares sold at 84.5c....he is trying but this stock will get red hot in December....Chinese are buying their shares and the Iron ore price may be available....Iron ore will be hot in December.....

Do agree Chicken, December is going to be a hot to trot month for sure!!
MGX S/P moved well again today with a high of 86.5 and then Mr. Broker stepped in and ruined the party!!! Market will over power him, when the big volume days appear and they are not far off in my opinion. Today we had nearly 6million units go thru. Heating up @ Mt.Gibson!!!
 
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Just saw a regular poster at another forum make the following comment on MGX. I can't comment on the legitimacy or the importance of it, but apparently it means that the sides of their quarry are unstable.
they are having problems with the foot wall at Tailering Peak due to friable nature of the rock
Good looking candles the past couple of days. Best of luck to those that hold and go chicken!
 
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doctorj said:
Just saw a regular poster at another forum make the following comment on MGX. I can't comment on the legitimacy or the importance of it, but apparently it means that the sides of their quarry are unstable.

Good looking candles the past couple of days. Best of luck to those that hold and go chicken!

Very old news DoctorJ. Market has been aware of this "Slippage"situation since mid year announcement.This is not a major concern, as the S/P has factored this in!!!!!!
 
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