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Melbourne running out of water: What to do?

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What would happen if a city of 4 million people ran out of water ?

My view of the situation is that this summer/autumn Melbourne faces the gravest peril any city could face – running out of water.

So why do I fear a “no water/dead city” scenario? As I see it the following factors would contribute to the situation.

1) Record low levels of water in the dams
2) Long term drought which has dried up river flows to again, record low levels
3) Similarly the catchments and countryside are at their driest.. Whatever rain does fall will not run off
4) Fires in the melbourne catchments last year will further reduce run off as new growth takes the little rain that is falling

5) The drought in melbourne will cause further pressure on water supplies as families and councils try to keep trees and gardens alive.

6) Predicted El Niño which will create further pressure as the hotter drier weather destroys our spring rains and creates even higher temperature patterns which reinforce factors 2-6 above.
7) Evaporation from dams increases with El Niño. How much are we losing already ? How much more will we lose?
8) Probability of bushfires creates extra demand for fire fighting water.
9) On going heat wave conditions create demand for extra electricity. As our generators require enormous amounts of fresh cooling water for their operation we see another pressure on the dams.
10) The current and predicted future drought is killing the Goulburn river systems. I believe that even if the North South pipeline is built there simply won’t be any available water to pump down.

Have I missed anything yet? On the supply side I have another grave fear.

A few years ago in the discussions about our water supplies it was made clear that the nominal dam reserves were way overstated. Put simply there is limit below which dams can’t be pumped. We just end up with mud.

I remember that the Thomson dam was supposed to have a bottom line figure of around 17%. Then “someone” found a way to get some super heavy duty pumps that that would take a bit more. But even allowing for that I wonder just how much of the 16.9% of the Thomson’s reserves are accessible? As I now understand it the bottom line is 11% full. D Given that this still represents the largest dam we have the implications of not being able to access three quarters of the remainder are bloody frightening.

And what is the situation with the other dams? When does their effective supply run out ?

According to all history after Sept-October, if we actually get any decent spring rains and run off, there will be no net gains to our dams before June 2010.

How legitimate are these fears ? Is anyone in charge fully aware of the situation and considering what risk management approaches do we take to avoid the situation of Melbourne actually running out of water? What do we need to do preserve our remaining supplies, find new water and somehow survive?

What do other Forum members think - particularly those of us who actually live here...:(
 
Its OK. Most people will have died from the swine flu long before summertime.
 
Welcome to what Adelaide faces every year due to poor goverment planning and forsight.

Adelaide actually has an action plan in place to distribute bottled water if this situation occurs. So it shows the pollies have thought about it, they just cant be arsed doing anything of substance :mad:
 
One long pipeline from Fitzroy River would fix the drought and make SE Australia one of the most fertile regions on the planet.

No immediate votes in it though.
 
Kenneth Davidson (I think) made the observation that the rain band had moved 200 km to the south,which adversely affected Melbourne's rainfall (Age newspaper a few months ago)
Only time will tell but seems to right so far.
Where I live in SA we have had 208 mm so far for July,more than for the whole year in Melbourne.
What to do-pray for rain!
 
So the incessant rain here in Blighty isn't such a bad thing after all? :cool:
 
Welcome to what Adelaide faces every year due to poor government planning and forsight.

if Adelaide was turned into a ghost town because they didn't plan for water shortages that would be some great government planning and foresight :p:
 
we are using fluoridated drinking water to push waste down the toilets

what i dont get is why we are not using recycled treated waste water into our toilets again and also for gardens..

although i am very comforted and pleased as punch to know the waste i put out will not suffer any plaque or gum disease, i think we have a long way to go on waste management down here, and victorians are missing the point a bit on how to manage things better....

surely rainwater and reclaimed water from the werribee waste treatment plant, an indeed all treatment plants victoria wide can be better used for garden and toilets and we can not be so friggin anal about tooth decay in the waste we produce?
 
Not sure if bottled water is a solution to trying to run a city. But your point about Adelaides situation is well taken. It is just as vulnerable - particularly with the Murray's situation.

Don't quite think the pipeline from Fitzroy crossing will reach us in time...:(

Other suggestions ? Or is the fact that we don't have a state of emergency in place to address the issue means my fears are totally groundless :confused:
 
Don't quite think the pipeline from Fitzroy crossing will reach us in time...:(
Nope, no votes.

My preferred solution is the World Bank tap the mouth of the amazon and run pipes around the world. 25% of the world's fresh water runs out to sea, lets just take 1% of that to hydrate the planet. It wouldn't be hard, the fresh water from the Amazon runs out hundreds of kilometers. There's oil pipelines running the same distances about the place. There's probably a little problem with diverting some of that, but the poles supposedly melting might make up for it.
 
Other suggestions ? Or is the fact that we don't have a state of emergency in place to address the issue means my fears are totally groundless :confused:

i know this topic was covered before, and the water catchments here are not being effective due to the clear fell logging of these giant ash forests..

people dont like to be associated with what is happening to melbourne, being labeled a greenie is like being labeled a terrorist

the clear fell logging is a major issue for the catchments.

if there was an immediate ban on it we could reduce the impact over the next 100 - 200 years

if anyone is remotely interested in the reasons for the water catchments suddenly losing all their ability to be effective for victorians then could read this .. and perhaps look over the entire site and learn a bit..

http://melbournecatchments.org/catchment-logging/impact-of-logging-on-melbourne-water/

otherwise just put it down to lower rainfall and live in a life of naivety
 
What do other Forum members think - particularly those of us who actually live here...:(
Don't move to Brisbane! :eek:
We have the worst traffic congestion in the country (worse than Sydney now), and we don't need more Mexicans up here making that worse!!!

Having a sit-on-our-hands do-nothing state Labor Gov't has not helped the situation in a timely way either.

When I moved up from Melbourne 11 years ago, there were none of these infrastructure problems. ;)
 
if Adelaide was turned into a ghost town because they didn't plan for water shortages that would be some great government planning and foresight :p:

No worries T/H Melbournes leading the way again.
let me know when your thirsty I'll send over some Coopers pale.
 
No worries T/H Melbournes leading the way again.
let me know when your thirsty I'll send over some Coopers pale.

Coupla weekends ago I was camping/kayaking on the Murry. Pretty cold first thing in the morning dipping in to wake up. It had its brighter side though. Knowing that my morning ablutions was Adelaide's drinking water next week. :D

Victorians, :bath::flush: Ahrrr thats better

S.A. :drink: Mmmmm thats nice.


:D
 
Forget the Amazon. Pipeline from the Ord River Scheme would do it. The scheme created Lake Argyle, which is Australia's largest dam, covering an area of 741 km ².
 
i know this topic was covered before, and the water catchments here are not being effective due to the clear fell logging of these giant ash forests..

people dont like to be associated with what is happening to melbourne, being labeled a greenie is like being labeled a terrorist

the clear fell logging is a major issue for the catchments.

if there was an immediate ban on it we could reduce the impact over the next 100 - 200 years

if anyone is remotely interested in the reasons for the water catchments suddenly losing all their ability to be effective for victorians then could read this .. and perhaps look over the entire site and learn a bit..

http://melbournecatchments.org/catchment-logging/impact-of-logging-on-melbourne-water/

otherwise just put it down to lower rainfall and live in a life of naivety


There used to be a toal ban on logging within 200 metres of all forrest waterways in Victoria. This was reduced to 100 metres during the Krennett Government regime.

Anyway if there is no more rain coming we need more and bigger coal driven desal plants. And if we live under the ground we wont drink as much and be out of the road of the loggers too.
 
Forget the Amazon. Pipeline from the Ord River Scheme would do it. The scheme created Lake Argyle, which is Australia's largest dam, covering an area of 741 km ².

Ever been there.
Amazing!
I agree.

T/H.

Hell we're tough!
 
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