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MCE - Matrix Composites & Engineering

I am not into caring about the "value" too much but for what its worth (and what I hear only). The MCE business arena is hot and regardless of what shale, gas, bloody algae or anything else comes into play deep sea oil will be drilled as long as its there to be drilled (always profitable - even if something else is more so - so capital/projects will come). MCE is in a small group (maybe 3/4 players as skc said) and they have 500M on quote. Management is piss poor at updating the market it would appear but they have indicated (I am not sure where this officially comes from but I heard it somewhere (maybe RM on Sky?)) that they expect 30% of that to convert to orders (I do not think they are claiming it can all be converted and quite frankly it does not need to be). Of course, given the size of the competition and the past history this does seem quite reasonable. Also 30% is well enough to be a player.

In terms of the last few months I also think they had some problems converting orders due to limited bandwidth (in a sense they were full up on work and busy trying to expand). If they can't handle the business at the right time in the right way then the customer is forced to go elsewhere (its not necessarily a matter of undercutting etc although this may also be true). They have since increased their bandwidth and may turn some of these existing quotes over more quickly in the future. Again, the past suggests they have about a third of the business in an arena with say 3 players. I think that is pretty good. There is nothing to suggest they are now out of the game either.

The problem is until the stock and market more generally settles down none of this really matters. Its hard to see a prolonged rally. Just short term swings and profit taking is my prediction. Possible to make one's money back if one rode the wave down but not as easy as sitting on the side. I would just like to see a contract announcement and see what happens (seems in the past they never announced them at all). I also particularly like seeing RM flip flop.
 
i am looking to buy share in mce at the moment? are they available to buy and what is the best way of going about this?

Dear Merriman

You can buy and sell MCE and all other shares through your broker.

If you do not have any one then consider using either on line brokers (cheaper such as Bell Direct, Commsec, West pac, E Trade etc etc - no advise ) vs full service brokers (normally expensive as they come with advice - example InterSuisse, Patterson, Bell Potter Securities, Aust stock, and many others)

More information can be had from Australian Stock Exchange Site
http://www.asx.com.au/resources/find-broker.htm

Good luck
 
If you believe MCE has a strong competitive advantage. It is porbaly a bargain. but alot fo their technology is very 'high tech' & i havent learned engineering etc. so its very har dfor me to determine. I wouldnt be worried about the order book its a short term thing. & if it has a competitive advantage youll make alot of money 10 yrs from now.
 
Still "value" buy? Let us know when it's going up hey. ;)

May bounce off $3.00 support/resistance level....

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Could do but on Thursday support came in strong and Friday was indecisive. Probably waiting for some direction from the U.S. on Friday night in which those markets rose higher.
 
I felt support looked quite strong on Thursday and Friday. Especially as experienced investors have a tendency to by in the later stages of the afternoon on normal days.
It's looking very happy this morning.
They haven't announced a contract win in 6 months and have a 35% get rate. With 500ml tenders out there they are well overdue. As soon as they do the stock is likely to rocket, with a 'Roger's still OK rally.' There are also plenty of brokers who are backing this one too.

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Quite crappy.
They need a contract win!
I hope their 6 month drought is not because they cannot compete since the Ausi passed US$90.::eek:
I'm not a techspert but it looks strong at 4
 
MCE in free fall. Stocks like this are done when these turns happen (regardless of whether there is any rationale - although the more that comes out it seems management are clueless in regards to the market). Looks heading to the $2 range for a long long time. My bet is no announcement can save it.
 
MCE in free fall. Stocks like this are done when these turns happen (regardless of whether there is any rationale - although the more that comes out it seems management are clueless in regards to the market). Looks heading to the $2 range for a long long time. My bet is no announcement can save it.

Anything can happen in the short term.

MCE is certainly out of favour at the moment but things can change quickly with this sort of stock but it wont happend until they get a few good contract wins.

Not sure what management can do in the interim as market sentiment is riding against them.

For me any good announcements of contract wins could well signal an entry to buy.
 
Anything can happen in the short term.

MCE is certainly out of favour at the moment but things can change quickly with this sort of stock but it wont happend until they get a few good contract wins.

Not sure what management can do in the interim as market sentiment is riding against them.

For me any good announcements of contract wins could well signal an entry to buy.

If a good announcement does come along, I am betting that the market will "under-react" initially and there'd be plenty of opportunity to enter at a good price with much reduced risk.
 
Anything can happen in the short term.

MCE is certainly out of favour at the moment but things can change quickly with this sort of stock but it wont happend until they get a few good contract wins.

Not sure what management can do in the interim as market sentiment is riding against them.

For me any good announcements of contract wins could well signal an entry to buy.

Management can't do anything now. However, they could have prepared the market much better for their final report which was never that terrible (and in fact initially received a lot of incorrect analysis pushing down).

I say this because movements like these happen all the time with small cap stocks and they rarely recover well (short, mid, long term...). Best option for management (from, e.g., their own portfolio point of view) would be a buyout and this scenario would not surprise me. This would also benefit current holders.
 
Did Roger Montgomery announce his sale of MCE and at what price??

I think he is still holding.

I am not as pessimistic as Cowboy A.

I believe if and when new contracts are announced then slowly but surely the share price will start to rise but it may take some time and whether it ever hits its previous highs I dont know.
 
I think he is still holding.

I am not as pessimistic as Cowboy A.

I believe if and when new contracts are announced then slowly but surely the share price will start to rise but it may take some time and whether it ever hits its previous highs I dont know.
He bought in August 2010 and I suppose around the breakout on the 9th August 2010 so above $3.00 I guess. Share price now $3.61. But that's investing isn't it?
 
I think he is still holding.

I am not as pessimistic as Cowboy A.

I believe if and when new contracts are announced then slowly but surely the share price will start to rise but it may take some time and whether it ever hits its previous highs I dont know.

There may be an element that is just waiting for a contract win to be announced to get excited about MCE again. But I would suggest the majority of serious money will be waiting to see what margin will be achieved on future contracts. It’s easy to win contracts – you just have to bid low enough. I seriously doubt that even next year’s financials is going to give clarity on new contract margin. I Hope those premature accumulators that are so enamoured with MCE turn out to have some true staying power.
 
"Mr. -95%" does it again!

Guys, this has always been and still is speculative buy, not value here...

My 2 cents... or should I say: MCE @ 2 cents? :)

Regards,
 
There may be an element that is just waiting for a contract win to be announced to get excited about MCE again. But I would suggest the majority of serious money will be waiting to see what margin will be achieved on future contracts. It’s easy to win contracts – you just have to bid low enough. I seriously doubt that even next year’s financials is going to give clarity on new contract margin. I Hope those premature accumulators that are so enamoured with MCE turn out to have some true staying power.

Good point. Time will tell i guess.

A bigger factor against a rebound is the fact that there are so many other quality businesses out there that are trading at very attractive levels for long term investors. These business have significantly less risk than MCE.
 
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