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That system ive posted is more to exhibit how easy it is to curve fit an algo to suit that data set . A warning of sorts , plenty out there selling these types of almost perfect looking bots that are all hindsight based with minimal if any ability to repeat these results in realtime into the future . An actual robust algo capable of trading decades with a curve like that need to be multi faceted with filters to adjust to changing market states and volatility .Consistency is the hardest thing to achieve in trading, it requires a trading system with no weak spots. @Chipp has achieved it with this system. Chip can you tell us more about your system?
That's definitely refreshing to read, time and time again the importance of risk management has to be out there above all else. It's easy to get caught up in the allure of big profits, preserving capital is paramount for long-term success in trading. the approach to cutting losses and focusing on protecting capital is certainly a valuable lesson for traders at any level tooThe No. 1 Secret to Making Money in the Markets
By Larry Benedict, editor, Trading With Larry Benedict
What’s the best way to make money in the markets?
Believe me, it’s a question I get all the time.
Especially given my profile as one of the traders featured in Jack Schwager’s Hedge Fund Market Wizards.
I’m in that book in the chapter just after billionaire Ray Dalio. And my inclusion came off the back of a long winning streak that saw me rack up 20 winning years in a row.
What’s more, during my career I made over $1 million on a trade more than 500 times.
Of course, when most folks ask about making money, they expect me to reel off a whole lot of technical jargon…
Like about key levels on a chart, crossover points in technical indicators, or things like reversals in momentum.
And to be fair, these all play a part in my trading.
But the single most important thing that made me as a trader was something far simpler than that…
It was my strict commitment to risk management. I just hated to lose money.
After blowing up multiple accounts and having to start over, I swore that I’d never put myself in that position again.
Don’t Ride Losers
What new traders often miss is that there are countless opportunities in the markets every day. When I ran my hedge fund, I often made hundreds of trades in a day.
And with all those trades, I was happy to bank lots of tiny profits. It was the accumulation of all these small winners that snowballed into something much bigger over time.
But what I didn’t do (and I was an absolute stickler for this) is that I wouldn’t ride any losers. The moment a trade went against me, I exited it right away.
No sulking or “what ifs.” Nor were there any thoughts of “let’s just give it some more time.” Instead, I just closed out any losing trade and moved onto the next one…
By doing this over and over, exiting a trade for a small loss became something I did automatically. I never got emotional about it.
And that helped stop those small losses turning into something much larger and potentially putting me out of the game.
The other thing I did was quickly cut my position size if a series of trades went against me. It would typically only take a 2% drawdown in my account for me to cut my position in half.
And if for whatever reason I kept losing, I would either cut that position in half again… or simply switch off my computer and go for a walk.
Only when I turned those losses back into profits would I look to go back to trading my original position size.
Remember, you never go broke taking a profit. But not taking a loss is a surefire way to blow up your account.
I’ve seen this mistake destroy countless trading careers.
Focus on Risk Management First
Too many new traders are only interested in the first part of trading. That is, how much money they can make.
But the way I see it, they’ve got it backward…
Instead, the key thing to ask first is the maximum you’re prepared to lose on any trade. And then to stick to it no matter what.
By strictly capping your losses, you’re protecting your capital to keep you in the game long term.
Understand this and apply it to your trading. It will surprise you how quickly your profits grow.
Regards,
Larry Benedict
Editor, Trading With Larry Benedict
Now that's something I learned the hard way! I also learned that I am a "coat tails" trader and I let people who are much more experienced and professional than me set the trend. Kind of like catching a bus. If the bus has my destination displayed on the front of it and its travelling in the correct direction, then I'm getting on. Other than that, I will just sit and watch the circus!If you are trying to make money in the markets from a directional move then the market that you’re trading needs to trend in the direction of your trade for at least for a short time. I’m stating the obvious here to lay the foundation for building a sound understanding for the point I’m going to make. In my own experience learning about trading the markets, a firm understanding of the basics is the secret sauce that enables putting it all together and finding success. So I’m saying here that in order to be successful trading a directional move, the most important factor is having a trend for your trading time-frame.
Another basic fact is that you’re actually trading the price-action of the market and therefore ‘price-action’ is the most important element to which you should be paying attention. On another thread of this forum a member is paper trading a single momentum indicator and taking the signals directly from that indicator ignoring the ‘price-action’ and trend of the market. I told him I was sceptical. There is nothing wrong with taking entry and exits from an indicator but any momentum indicator will not produce successful trades unless you have a trend for the time frame that you’re trading.
Indicators are very useful, I use them and I’d be a bit lost without them, indicators help me see things about the price-action that I don’t see in the price-action itself, but the price-action is the most important thing to pay attention too, and the number one element that is needed for a directional trade is the trend of price. If you use an indicator to determine trend then this is the most important indicator that you have. So if you decide to use any indicators for your trading, the first and most important indicator that you should have is a trend indicator.
I’m not a trained educator and I’m by no means a wordsmith so I’m not sure if this post will hit the mark, ring a bell or switch on a light bulb with many or any people, but I thought I’d give it a go.
Good morning rocket1172,Now that's something I learned the hard way! I also learned that I am a "coat tails" trader and I let people who are much more experienced and professional than me set the trend. Kind of like catching a bus. If the bus has my destination displayed on the front of it and its travelling in the correct direction, then I'm getting on. Other than that, I will just sit and watch the circus!
@Chipp you need to say how you can use "TIME" in trading, the name of the thread is 'Learning to trade', so you have teach something here.A large majority of trading systems concentrate on price singularly where a naked stock chart has 2 axis and the other axis gives is just as useful and in a few cases more useful . As Bruce Buffer says " It's TIME " A holistic approach is the best approach
I am sure you can run with it . Google is your friend , I just supplied the seed , plant it and water it . I am not an educator , i am a trader .@Chipp you need to say how you can use "TIME" in trading, the name of the thread is 'Learning to trade', so you have teach something here.
On the money duc . Volatility is basically price/time or is that time/price , you will get the drift , this is where the fastest money lies , double edged sword of course but if you make vol a friend you have no need to fear it . In fact quite the opposite . As you know the largest option returns come when vol upticks and the same can be said for trading the underlying .So on this topic of 'time' as opposed to 'price'
How the World Sped Up
More change is happening, faster than ever before. Can we keep up? Or will we get left behind, obliterated by catastrophic risk in a world that shifts too quickly?www.forkingpaths.co
Two concepts: stochastic process and ergodicity.
This is essentially how you trade time or another name would be volatility.
jog on
duc
Bit of addendum to the price/time thing . This is a bit of gold to be honest and once again i am planting a seed not handing out keys . The average systematic approach thats barely profitable with many signals suffering from whip , generally in a quiet period , can be dramatically improved by adding a volatility filter . A volatility filter can keep you out of false signals and improve win rates and contrary to what many may profess out there Win Rate is #1 in system trading , of course RR matters but WR is king . Understand and implement systems to capitalize on this and your ordinary system might become a cornerstone of a profitable trading experience . the secret is in this quote below
“Short term volatility is greatest at turning points and diminishes as a trend becomes established.”
Another thing i will add to this Learning to trade is most are trying to learn to trade everything at once and thats a huge mistake in my eyes . Find a small universe to trade ( less than 10 ) , know it well , research it thouroughly , become good at this before ever trying to trade the entire universe
Also steer clear of shitcos with charts that are random AF in the beginning of your journey . Look for charts that have a heartbeat , have a cycle to them .
Know your expectancy , test and validate ideas , nothing will improve confidence more than actual hard data indicating an edge . Use spreadsheets then maybe learn to code . Do technicals and balance sheets if you trade stocks . Trust no-one elses opinions unless you have validated THEY have a crazy good edge
Become an independent practicing critical thinker
Be a Stoic and hustle , nothing good is easy
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.”
To take the emotion out of trading you need to know what to do before it happens , work on that . All the people ive ever mentored ive impressed that upon them , that and dont be lazy .
Good luck to all
Quick edit , to beome an elite trader you need to change the way you think . #1 book to read Thinking, Fast and Slow and get the Phark of generic social media full of generic BS and no offence many threads in ASF are full of this generic BS , i will not name names
This is a long/short algo i wrote over weekend that has signals based on nothing but time , no indicators based of price , no price involved at all . I am not going to say what its based of so dont ask . This is unleveraged , actually beats the index with a risk adjusted return miles in front of actual index .Bit of addendum to the price/time thing
The 'y' axis is analyzed to death but the 'x' axis is largely ignored . As a trader you only want to be in a postion during the 'time' it moves . Time is risk so getting the momentum while it lasts and sleeping on cash when there is no momentum seems a logical thing . Thinking outside the box means you actually think a bit . This hivemind thing of todays world suppresses independent thought . We need to ask questions of the data no-one else asks to seek edge that is rare .Based on time you said.
I like it outside of the square.
The 'y' axis is analyzed to death but the 'x' axis is largely ignored . As a trader you only want to be in a postion during the 'time' it moves . Time is risk so getting the momentum while it lasts and sleeping on cash when there is no momentum seems a logical thing . Thinking outside the box means you actually think a bit . This hivemind thing of todays world suppresses independent thought . We need to ask questions of the data no-one else asks to seek edge that is rare .
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