Labor's carbon tax lie

[sptrawler]

Well so much for the 'new clean' power stations to replace the coal fired ones.
Even the greens are starting to realise it's just a great big tax, sod all to do with carbon reduction.
Well all you believers, don't hold your breath for clean air. But do put your hands in your pockets to pay the tax. We will need it pay the unemployment benefits.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...olar-flagships-say-greens-20120206-1r1w9.html

Wasn't this project going to provide the new clean jobs. LOL, LOL, LOL
What's it called 'rope a dope' LOL

 

[orr]

Well so much for the 'new clean' power stations to replace the coal fired ones.
Even the greens are starting to realise it's just a great big tax, sod all to do with carbon reduction.
Well all you believers, don't hold your breath for clean air. But do put your hands in your pockets to pay the tax. We will need it pay the unemployment benefits.


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...olar-flagships-say-greens-20120206-1r1w9.html

Wasn't this project going to provide the new clean jobs. LOL, LOL, LOL
What's it called 'rope a dope' LOL

Ferguson is strategically deployed by the ALP for a couple of reasons, one; to keep as many as possible of the 'blue collar red necks' that are still prepared to vote for them, voting for them, a group that they've haemorrhaged since the late 90's. Waving his flag wont change the minds of the 19th century reactionary right wingers that regularly vent here, but those in their field of influence, who have trouble with the big words in the 'Telegraph', may take pause to think, and come to the conclusion 'Fergies' not all bad.
Careful SP you maybe being counterproductive to the cause.
Expect to see an increase in Martins media profile in the next twelve months.

 

[drsmith]

Martin Ferguson at least has half a brain.

He must.

Bob Brown doesn't like him at all.

 

[sptrawler]

Ferguson is strategically deployed by the ALP for a couple of reasons, one; to keep as many as possible of the 'blue collar red necks' that are still prepared to vote for them, voting for them, a group that they've haemorrhaged since the late 90's. Waving his flag wont change the minds of the 19th century reactionary right wingers that regularly vent here, but those in their field of influence, who have trouble with the big words in the 'Telegraph', may take pause to think, and come to the conclusion 'Fergies' not all bad.
Careful SP you maybe being counterproductive to the cause.
Expect to see an increase in Martins media profile in the next twelve months.

Well orr, that would be wonderfull, if it is to promote Ferguson. However he will be thrown out with the bath water.
Abbott has been quick to pick up on the governments failings and if the underpinning technology for the carbon tax is flawed. They are toast, big time, there will be no backfilling a hole that big.

 

[sptrawler]

Meanwhile another smelter under the microscope.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/hundreds-of-smelter-jobs-at-risk-20120208-1ragj.html

 

[joea]

Martin Ferguson at least has half a brain.

He must.

Bob Brown doesn't like him at all.

I agree. There are good people and smart politicians in the Labor party. However we do not always hear their true ideals, as they have to bow to their party beliefs.
joea

 

[Smurf1976]

Meanwhile another smelter under the microscope.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/hundreds-of-smelter-jobs-at-risk-20120208-1ragj.html

Just another one of the ever increasing costs associated with electricity industry "micro economic reform", "competition" and "deregulation".

I'm no economics expert but I do know one thing for sure - when you hear mention of those words in the power industry it means things will be done less efficiently and prices will go up, not down. Those who think otherwise are generally those who have spent many hours reading text books without having ever been in a power station or even a bucket truck.

Competition in the natural monopoly that is electricity simply has not worked. All that's happened is capital stripped out of the industry, technical efficiency lowered and bills going up. We're already paying the price with soaring household bills and now we're about to pay again with job losses in manufacturing industry too.

As for the carbon tax, well that's an issue but it's really the "reform" types you can blame for this one. Gas isn't much better either - look at what happened in SA where they hiked prices simply due to the added cost of "competition".

The Australian people were nothing short of outright conned over the whole deregulation and privatisation debacle. Up, up and up go the bills...

 

[sptrawler]

Another dollop of money to try and reduce the flow on costs, that will be handed down to the voters.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...e-to-save-energy/story-e6freuy9-1226266804320

 

[sptrawler]

Now following in Rio's and Alcoa's footsteps, B.H.P are looking at off loading its carbon producing businesses.

http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bhp-may-consider-selling-off-wa-sites-20120209-1rnzt.html

But it has nothing to do with the carbon tax.LOL
No it is all just coincidental.

 

[DB008]

Now following in Rio's and Alcoa's footsteps, B.H.P are looking at off loading its carbon producing businesses.

http://www.watoday.com.au/business/bhp-may-consider-selling-off-wa-sites-20120209-1rnzt.html

But it has nothing to do with the carbon tax.LOL
No it is all just coincidental.

Terry McCrann had a good article in the paper today (Sydney).

Julia and Co should be ecstatic because as these big businesses get rid off/close/wind down their big plants, less CO2 will be produced and Australia might meet targets. (Who cares about the workers, thats another problem right?)

 

[Calliope]

Gillard continues to lie and mislead Parliament

Julia Gillard in parliament yesterday:

THE former Howard government developed plans for an emissions trading scheme which, had the former Howard government been elected in 2007, it would have legislated to commence by now.

ABC1's Insiders, July 17 last year:

BARRIE Cassidy: You told the National Press Club in July 2007 that in the years to come it will provide a model for other nations to follow. Peter Shergold, who advised you at the time, talked about getting out in front.

John Howard: Yeah, I know he did do that. But the very first sentence of the terms of reference for the Shergold inquiry was that we had to absolutely preserve the competitive position of Australian industries because of the pre-eminence of fossil fuels. And the whole basis on which we went to the people with that policy and the belief was that the rest of the world would follow and would be going in the same direction. But they're not.. . . There's no chance in the world of the Americans embracing an emissions trading system. The Indians aren't, the Chinese aren't. And we are crazy to be going ahead of the rest of the world. If the rest of the world were adopting a different attitude, well, then a different attitude might be countenanced. But the whole scene has changed. In 2007, people were sort of almost dancing in the streets in favour of these measures. Since then we've had the global financial crisis, we've had the collapse in Copenhagen. And the whole atmospheric of the debate has altered.

(my bolds)

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-a-little-longer/story-fn72xczz-1226286614585

 

[sptrawler]

Well smurph, time to resurect our pet hate before I go on holidays. This government should be ashamed of what it is going to do to Australia, just to pander to lunatics like Bob Brown.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/money...-high-and-rising/story-e6freqoo-1226305729807

This is political vandalism, never have so few done so much damage to so many.
What a bunch of bl@@dy fools and Swan calls the opposition the three stooges. That says a lot when it is the Goon show talking.

Ah that feels better, now to catch that plane. C Ya

 

[joea]

No doubt about Greg Combet.
He is already defending the increases to come in the electricity prices, by defining what percentage of the increase will be associated with what.

Obviously another attempt to mislead the public. Cannot knock him for lack of tactics.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...overnment-claims/story-e6freoof-1226313934293

Labor should be renamed the Labor Liar's Club.
joea

 

[MrBurns]

Departing Future Fund boss savages carbon tax

The man who has managed the multi-billion dollar Future Fund for six years has delivered a stinging broadside to the Government's carbon pricing scheme, calling it "the worst piece of economic reform" he has ever seen.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-30/departing-future-fund-boss-lambasts-carbon-tax/3922742

 

[IFocus]

By Alan Kohler

"Losing our lead: emissions targets increase ahead"

Australia will have to increase its greenhouse gas reduction target from the current 5 per cent by 2020, to at least 15 per cent within two years under the policies of both the ALP and the Coalition.

That's because the conditions for doing that look like being met. Remember… the Government's reduction target is 5 per cent below 2000 levels unilateral and 15 per cent if "major developing economies commit to substantially restrain emissions and advanced economies take on commitments comparable to Australia's".

The Opposition has signed up to both the 5 per cent and 15 per cent targets

Then this

It's possible that a new Coalition government will dismantle the whole thing next year, but that would be a Humphreyan courageous decision: first the rest of the world clearly is taking action to reduce emissions, so that if Australia just dropped out of the project and dropped its targets the cost would be very high; and second, if the Coalition tried to use its "direct action" plan to meet the targets, the cost to the budget would be horrendous.

So whats the Coalitions tax lie?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-28/kohler-emissions-targets-increase-ahead/3916840

 

[moXJO]

So whats the Coalitions tax lie?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-28/kohler-emissions-targets-increase-ahead/3916840

Labor has lied so much I don't think anyone cares anymore.

Mining tax will pay for super increase oops no wait business will pay for it.
But their won't be any wage increases to scale out the extra cost to business, oops yes their will because the unions are fighting for higher wages to offset the carbon tax. Which makes you question how much worse off those on minimum wage will be if unions want an increase.

Labor is the mother of f%&k ups. They just resort to outright lies when dealing with anything. They can't run the country full stop.

 

[Julia]

Labor has lied so much I don't think anyone cares anymore.

Mining tax will pay for super increase oops no wait business will pay for it.
But their won't be any wage increases to scale out the extra cost to business, oops yes their will because the unions are fighting for higher wages to offset the carbon tax. Which makes you question how much worse off those on minimum wage will be if unions want an increase.

Labor is the mother of f%&k ups. They just resort to outright lies when dealing with anything. They can't run the country full stop.

+1. And most of the electorate has simply stopped listening. Labor are talking to themselves.
What they will listen to, though, is the now much repeated statement made by David Murray on Radio National this morning that the carbon tax is the

"worst piece of economic reform I have seen in my lifetime"

 

[Smurf1976]

Well the news is finally out in public. A whopping 26% rise in electricity prices here in Tas on the 1st of July with much of it due to the carbon tax. And, as we're all being told, further rises will come as the tax forces up both the actual cost of generation and also taxes it.

Personally, I'll just be firing up the old Saxon (wood burner) and that will keep me warm without going broke. But it's going to be a truly miserable winter for the many who will no longer be able to afford heating.

Take an average bill of $2450 a year and soon it will be $3087 a year with more rises promised. There goes "discretionary spending" or whatever economists call it - the economic fallout isn't going to be pretty from this one.

Just wait until Victorians realise what Tasmania has already worked out. Natural gas prices are set to rise by far more than the amount of the tax and it's going to hurt. The urban greens won't be happy when they realise that their central heating (which is quite common in Vic) now costs a fortune to run. Even less happy when their job disappears.

 

[joea]

Well the news is finally out in public. A whopping 26% rise in electricity prices here in Tas on the 1st of July with much of it due to the carbon tax. And, as we're all being told, further rises will come as the tax forces up both the actual cost of generation and also taxes it.

Personally, I'll just be firing up the old Saxon (wood burner) and that will keep me warm without going broke. But it's going to be a truly miserable winter for the many who will no longer be able to afford heating.

Take an average bill of $2450 a year and soon it will be $3087 a year with more rises promised. There goes "discretionary spending" or whatever economists call it - the economic fallout isn't going to be pretty from this one.

Just wait until Victorians realise what Tasmania has already worked out. Natural gas prices are set to rise by far more than the amount of the tax and it's going to hurt. The urban greens won't be happy when they realise that their central heating (which is quite common in Vic) now costs a fortune to run. Even less happy when their job disappears.

+1
joea

 

[MrBurns]

Well the news is finally out in public. A whopping 26% rise in electricity prices here in Tas on the 1st of July with much of it due to the carbon tax. And, as we're all being told, further rises will come as the tax forces up both the actual cost of generation and also taxes it.

Where was that reported, that bad very bad...