Labor's carbon tax lie

Smurf1976 · 28 June 2011

Calliope said:
Their carbon policies are deliberately sabotaging our industries, and we still don't know why.

If you want to understand this then simply observe what has already occurred in Tasmania over the past 30 years. You don't have to spend long in the place to realise that there's stuff all industry left in Tassie these days, a far cry from the days when Tas, with a minor share of the national population, accounted for almost a quarter of Australia's heavy industrial production and ranked third amongst the states.

Wander, Tioxide, APPM Burnie, APPM Wesley Vale, NW Acid, Southern Aluminium, Coats Paton, ACI glass, Stanley Works, Electrona, Port Huon mill and even the likes of Blundstone. It's all gone now with the zinc works, Comalco (Rio Tinto), Temco, Boyer and the two breweries being about all that really remains in terms of large scale manufacturing.

Rightly or wrongly, we have seen the substantial de-industrialisation of an Australian state and it's transformation into a "green" economy where the largest employer is tourism, wages are the lowest in the country and somewhere around half the population is on some form of welfare. It's a nice place in many ways, but it would be hard to deny that economically it has massively underperformed for as long as the Greens have held influence either through parliament or by other means as even a casual glance at any key economic statistic will confirm.

Now in 2011 mainland Australia faces the same fate... Trouble is, we can't all get a disproportionate share of GST, send our kids interstate to work and depend on others to pay the bills.

sails · 29 June 2011

One of Bolt's readers sent Mark Dreyfus, the Gillard Government’s Parliamentary Secretary for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency this question:

Can you provide details on how much the global temperature will drop with the introduction of the this tax in 2020 (~5years)/ 2025 (~10years) /2065 (~50 years)?

And this was the reply he received:

So, if there will be no change in global temperatures by 2065, what's the point? The US have backed away from carbon tax or ETS - so raises the question why do labor use AGW as the excuse for a tax? Why potentially upset our main power source and cause a rise in all sorts of areas and while doing no good for the environment as confirmed by Mark Dreyfus?

Source: Dreyfus: no cut in temperature under our tax

moXJO · 29 June 2011

sails said:
So, if there will be no change in global temperatures by 2065, what's the point?

Say hello to a socialist government. They know what is best and also what you should be spending your money on, no more choice for you.
Prepare for:
Big government
Censorship
Massive government debt
Nanny state
Reduction of productivity
Spoiling employees to the point of laziness and welfare mentality
Anti business stance, more red tape and bureaucracy.
Destruction of value in prime industry
Civil unrest

Its obvious labor lost the plot during the Rudd era. Labor had twelve years in opposition to get their stuff sorted and instead we get policy on the run.
Screw you enviro commies

Bigukraine · 29 June 2011

sails said:
One of Bolt's readers sent Mark Dreyfus, the Gillard Government’s Parliamentary Secretary for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency this question:

And this was the reply he received:

So, if there will be no change in global temperatures by 2065, what's the point? The US have backed away from carbon tax or ETS - so raises the question why do labor use AGW as the excuse for a tax? Why potentially upset our main power source and cause a rise in all sorts of areas and while doing no good for the environment as confirmed by Mark Dreyfus?

Source: Dreyfus: no cut in temperature under our tax

THIS is the best post i have read re this stupid tax EVER and i hope a lot people read it and see through this stupidity.......

ahhhhh..... now i feel better (rant):bier:

Bigukraine · 29 June 2011

moXJO said:
Say hello to a socialist government. They know what is best and also what you should be spending your money on, no more choice for you.
Prepare for:
Big government
Censorship
Massive government debt
Nanny state
Reduction of productivity
Spoiling employees to the point of laziness and welfare mentality
Anti business stance, more red tape and bureaucracy.
Destruction of value in prime industry
Civil unrest

Its obvious labor lost the plot during the Rudd era. Labor had twelve years in opposition to get their stuff sorted and instead we get policy on the run.
Screw you enviro commies

so in other words .....what is happening in Greece right now... you beauty

Julia · 29 June 2011

sails said:
One of Bolt's readers sent Mark Dreyfus, the Gillard Government’s Parliamentary Secretary for Climate Change and Energy Efficiency this question:

Sails, I'm astonished that Mark Dreyfus would make such a damning admission about the pointlessness of the proposed tax.

Do you know if this has appeared in some of the major media, i.e. was it included in one of Andrew Bolt's comment pieces?
It should surely be made available to the broader electorate?

moXJO · 29 June 2011

Bigukraine said:
so in other words .....what is happening in Greece right now... you beauty

Greece
the majority of those points were factors that are already upon us. At least we have employment though.

sails · 29 June 2011

Julia said:
Sails, I'm astonished that Mark Dreyfus would make such a damning admission about the pointlessness of the proposed tax.

Do you know if this has appeared in some of the major media, i.e. was it included in one of Andrew Bolt's comment pieces?
It should surely be made available to the broader electorate?

Julia, I posted the link to Bolt's comments at the bottom of the email image.
Here it is again: Dreyfus: no cut in temperature under our tax

I don't know if the mainstream media will pick it up because it was an email sent by one of Bolt's readers to Mark Dreyfus who then forwarded the reply email to Bolt.

At least we have a way to share news like this here...

sails · 1 July 2011

Hmmm, I wonder if organisations will lie to get this sort of free money. The following advertisment was apparently in the weekend Australian.

I think it will put doubt on the sincerity of any organisation appearing on advertisments in the future crowing about the benefits of carbon tax and renewable energy. Whether or not they actually believe in it or not may be irrelevant, but the free $250,000 could make good incentive to say anything the government want...

From the Telegraph by Tim Blair

trainspotter · 1 July 2011

Australia currently releases more pollution per person than any other country in the developed world. The Australian Government is committed to reducing Australia’s carbon pollution emissions. A clean energy future means lasting security and prosperity for all Australians through innovation and transformation of our energy supply, strong energy efficiency measures, smart agricultural and land usage and a market mechanism that will enable and motivate the changes Australia needs to make.

http://www.climatechange.gov.au/government/programs-and-rebates/climate-change-grant-program.aspx

Since when is CO2 a pollutant? HUH ??? If it is THAT bad then stop making dry ice and fizzy drinks if it is killing the planet. DERRRRRRRRRRRR

Oh Oh ...... what's this then? We are not that bad afterall?

Consulting the US Energy Information Administration database (see: http://www.eia.doe.gov/ ), in 2004 Australia (0.3% world’s population) yielded 1.4% of world’s fossil fuel-derived CO2 (3% including coal exports). The World’s 27,043 Mt fossil fuel-derived CO2 (2004) comprised 10,850 Mt (petroleum), 5602 Mt (gas), and 10,592 Mt (coal) with the Australia breakdown being 810 Mt (total), 117 Mt (petroleum), 52 Mt (gas), 217 Mt (coal, domestic), 424 Mt (coal exports).

So it is our coal exports ramping up our per capita CO2 emissions? Hmmmmmmmm !!

trainspotter · 1 July 2011

Oh oh ! The cat is out of the bag now.

A NEW Greens senator is forecasting the coal industry will be closed down in a decade as her party readies to use its increased numbers to influence major policy issues.

The prediction by hardline New South Wales senator Lee Rhiannon will be rejected by the Government but will feed the growing concerns about its carbon pollution pricing scheme.

And it will add to speculation over the contents of the carbon reduction scheme now being negotiated by the Government with the Greens and independents.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/features/env...ry/story-e6frflp0-1226085701710#ixzz0sPczyZf7

MACCA350 · 1 July 2011

And that's what you get for voting for the Greens I think Australians are about to learn a hard lesson.

Cheers

trainspotter · 1 July 2011

The big end of town is not going down without a fight ..........

AN alliance of some of the country's biggest industry groups is reportedly preparing to launch a multi-million dollar campaign designed to defeat Prime Minister Julia Gillard's plans to price carbon.

The Australian Trade and Industry Alliance is planning to spend at least $10 million on the campaign, using television, radio, print, the internet and social media to get its anti-carbon tax message across.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/gov...gn/story-e6frfkvr-1226085252133#ixzz0sPo79ufP

Wysiwyg · 1 July 2011

A NEW Greens senator is forecasting the coal industry will be closed down in a decade as her party readies to use its increased numbers to influence major policy issues.

The prediction by hardline New South Wales senator Lee Rhiannon will be rejected by the Government but will feed the growing concerns about its carbon pollution pricing scheme.

I also saw that woman placard campaigning for the ban of live animal export. I don't foresee her being seen or heard in the media beyond a year from now.

Wysiwyg · 1 July 2011

A NEW Greens senator is forecasting the coal industry will be closed down in a decade as her party readies to use its increased numbers to influence major policy issues.

The prediction by hardline New South Wales senator Lee Rhiannon will be rejected by the Government but will feed the growing concerns about its carbon pollution pricing scheme.

Has this woman informed India of the renewable fuel power stations of the near future they must comply with? Like the P.M., she may view resistance as a sign she is on the right path.

drsmith · 2 July 2011

Tony Abbott's finally beginning to sharpen his attack,

Mr Abbott cited a series of examples of where he said the overseas reality of tackling climate change differed from the perception in Australia. He said the basic flaw of the proposed market-based system was that it created a "massive cash cow for government".

There would be an unavoidable bloating of the bureaucracy, with carbon pricing turning into "another pot of gold for government".

"As long as the price is paid to government, regulating carbon dioxide by putting a price on it should give every market enthusiast pause for thought," he said. "The unavoidable regulatory mechanism means a massive and permanent increase in the size of government, even if all the revenue is handed back."

Mr Abbott said while the government claimed carbon pricing was a vital economic reform, it was a reform that would undermine the economy.

There could be no comparisons with the Hawke-Keating and Costello-Howard reforms, which had overhauled the economy. "To count as reform, change should improve economic outcomes."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...bon-fight-abbott/story-fn59niix-1226085932975

drsmith · 2 July 2011

And this,

On close consideration, carbon pricing turns out to be just another pot of gold for government. It's instructive that the International Monetary Fund has just recommended a 25 per cent hike in Iceland's carbon tax to address not an environmental problem but its fiscal crisis.

When Gillard promises to over-compensate low-income earners for price rises, the carbon tax has become just another vehicle for redistributing wealth. It's a form of socialism masquerading as environmentalism.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...t-must-be-fought/story-fn961iy1-1226085908186

IFocus · 2 July 2011

Abbott lashes out as another report backs carbon tax

AUSTRALIA'S economists are wrong to believe a carbon price is the best way to reduce greenhouse has emissions, the Opposition Leader, Tony Abbott, said yesterday as another expert report concluded a carbon price would be the most efficient policy.

Just keep looking the other way folks.

Ernst and Young said Mr Abbott's plan ''would create no immediate risks to competitiveness'' but was unlikely to reduce emissions at the least cost and ran the risk it would blow the Coalition's allocated budget. The AI Group said it was worried Mr Abbott's policies would create bigger uncertainties than the government's because it would not prompt the changes industry needed to make.

Abbotts policy just sucks bit like him but just keep looking the other way...and keep saying Great Big Tax.

A director and economist of the Grattan Institute, Saul Eslake, said Mr Abbott was attacking economists because he was frustrated ''he can't find a single economist in Australia who supports his policy''.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbo...-carbon-tax-20110701-1gv3y.html#ixzz1QueXBbZB

trainspotter · 2 July 2011

Maybe Australia wil be like France who dumped their carbon tax after a few bad polls.

The idea of the environmental tax was to impose a levy on energy use linked to the price of carbon, with the aim of cutting down carbon emissions and of course raising money for government spending in the process. However, the recent drubbing received by Mr Sarkozy’s UMP party in the regional elections has encouraged them to change their mind.

The prime minister Mr Fillon said that “Paris would not penalise industry by imposing the tax unilaterally”

http://www.rivieralife.tv/Business_McCreery_Blog_3.htm

I read somewhere that carbon tax will be required at $80 per tonne to make it vaible for alternative energy usage offests.

drsmith · 2 July 2011

IFocus said:
Just keep looking the other way folks.

Do you think Labor's carbon tax will make a material difference to the world's climate ?

Do you think Labor's ultimate policy will be pure in relation to direct action incentives ?

Noooooooooo.

It will be carbon tax ++++++++++ as Labor has its Green bed partners to satisfy.

Wherever one looks, Julia's words from the last election still echo loudly,

There will be no carbon tax............

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