Labor's carbon tax lie

[MACCA350]

She should do the honourable and call another election BEFORE implementing this tax.

She would never do that as she knows she'd loose the election because of it. She is more interested in her agenda than what the people want, after all if she had any mandate from the people(which we all know she has none) it is to have "no carbon tax under the government I lead".

Her recent actions disgust me and I am ashamed to have such bastardry at the helm of our country. She should do the honorable thing and take this to an election to gain a mandate from the people.

Cheers

 

[BigAl]

What was clear was Jones shock jock disgusting behavior

He treatment of an Australian Prime Minister was a great example of the low live scub bag that he is.

I don't remember Howard or any other PM every being treated with such arrogance and contempt.

Thank god we don't have the dog over here.

She deserves this and everything else she gets. She's vying for the worst PM title with Rudd.

I hope the media really turn up the preessure on her now. Worthless sack of spuds she is

 

[noco]

Seriously Julia...if you genuinely don't think that grub Jones wasn't totally disrespectful of the office and the person then there's really no hope for the salvation of your humanity.

Jones was purely pandering to his audience, the PM should of gave the DH a mouthful...seriously im done with the political threads, its just...i mean its like having to deal with the worst level of society, objectivity is a nonsense when dealing with the ASF right, or any extremists i would suppose.

Last word on the Carbon tax we are going to get (remember when i said a price on carbon was inevitable) what's become clear to me is that our political system is so totally floored that its a wonder anything positive ever gets done...the simplest things take decades to achieve because politicians get elected by people that simply wont accept inevitability.

Politicians spin to us because they have to, they sell policy because the masses need to be convinced that XYZ is good for them, they need it packaged and softened because the Masses haven't got a bloody clue....we should of had a price on carbon for the last decade or so but little Johnny etc couldn't do it, couldn't deal with the inevitable and the political ramifications of acting responsibly so they just did nothing.

And because of that, the coming pain will be so much worse than it ever had to be...in life doing nothing in the face of inevitability is never a good idea, works the same way in politics too, doing nothing is never a good option when something needs to be done to manage the inevitable.

So_Cynical, you are as bad as JULIAR. This thread is all about Labor's Carbon Tax Lie.
We are not interested in whether it is good,bad or indifferent to have a carbon tax that is going to cost you and me in the cost of living, it is about the LIE,LIE LIE. DON'T YOU GET IT. She is being ruled by the GREENS and nobody can deny it.

 

[Smurf1976]

We are not interested in whether it is good,bad or indifferent to have a carbon tax that is going to cost you and me in the cost of living, it is about the LIE,LIE LIE. DON'T YOU GET IT. She is being ruled by the GREENS and nobody can deny it.

Australia is now being effectively run by the Greens in similar manner to that experienced in Tasmania for the past 30 years. They may not officially be in majority government, but that a minority government depends on their support does in practice give them almost absolute power.

The only real difference between the Australian situation and that in Tasmania is that in the case of the latter, even majority Labor or Liberal governments have fallen foul of Green deals with federal Labor and/or physical protests, blockades and all the rest. In practice, the Greens and their political predecessors (who are the same people) have been calling the shots for three decades now.

That goes well beyond the high profile issues of the Franklin River and building a new (to replace the old) pulp mill at Wesely Vale and more recently the proposal to put the mill at Bell Bay instead. There has been essentially no period in the past 30 years where some project or business in Tas has not been the target of physical protests, and basically no significant development which has not been opposed. Investors have, quite sensibly, kept well away from the place for this reason.

Now we're seeing much the same nationally, albeit without effective physical protests (yet). As has been the case in Tasmania, the targets are essentially the same. Start with electricity generation (critical to every other industry...) then move onto other activities. In Tas that was the pulp and paper industry and metal smelting whilst nationally it will more likely be mining (the LNG industry seems to be attracting particular attention).

I am not against sensible protection of the environment. But I am against what amounts to nothing more than substantial de-industrialisation of a state and now the country for little real environmental benefit. I am also absolutely opposed to the reality that with few exceptions, this has taken place against the apparent wishes of the people.

All that said, I do think Bob Brown has some good ideas and I suspect his intentions are reasonably honest. I'd describe him as someone who knows very well how the world works, doesn't really know how to fix it but is determined to have a go anyway no matter what the consequences. Despite my disagreement with him and the Greens on many points, I can't hate someone for wanting to save a few trees and a river or two. It's the means of going about it, and failing to consider all pieces in the puzzle, that I so strongly disagree with.

Christine Milne worries me far more however, as I've never seen any indication that she has a real understanding of anything beyond the immediate issues she happens to be focused on at the time. Her comments regarding the carbon tax have reinforced this view - she just doesn't seem to care or comprehend that there are any issues beyond CO2.

PS: For those who think I'm being a tad too personal with my comments here, I will simply point out that there are numerous personal attacks on Gillard, Rudd, Abbott, Howard and plenty of other Labor and Liberal politicians on this and other threads on ASF and such things are generally considered acceptable in Australian society. So in that context I see my comments about Greens MP's as reasonable.

 

[noco]

Why doesn't this two timer of a Prime Minister have the gutz to admit she lied to voters at the last election and call a new election based on her lie.
She should resign...........

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...g-double-trouble/story-e6frg75f-1226012270932

 

[trainspotter]

Still waiting for the benefits of this carbon tax. Anybody?

Thanks for the attempt to explain it to me IFocus ..... appreciated. I get there is a "man made" carbon outlier polluting our atmosphere and something needs to be done about it.

Here's an idea ...... plant more trees and stop the deforestation of our planet. You know those things called plants ...... they convert carbon dioxide into oxygen by photosynthesis. WOW .... what a concept.

How about this then? REGULATE the polluting companies and control what they are dumping into the atmosphere by way of enabling cleaner technologies to assist them with their emissions.

What about the "solar rebate" scheme whereby you place panels on your roof and it actually dumps more energy into the electricity grid. Each house more or less becomes self sufficient. Not as much need for a coal fired power station anymore when everyone is generating enough electricity to run their own homes?

He was called a “fool” (Michael Leunig), an “unflusha*ble turd” (Mungo MacCallum), a “scheming, menda*cious little man” (Alan Ramsey), who silenced dis*sent (Clive Hamilton), corrupted the public debate (David Marr) and used right-wing religious activists to indoctrinate the nation (Marion Maddox). He was also “far and away the worst prime minister in living memory” (Phillip Adams) who had a “pre-fascist fetish to attack minorities” (Margo Kingston). Under his government, Australia headed towards an “increasingly authoritarian trajectory of the political culture” (Robert Manne), became “a backwater, a racist and inward-looking country” (Greg Barns) and was “condemned at the court of world opinion as callous and inhumane” (Sun-Herald, Sydney).

Nope ......... John Howard was really looked after by the media now wasn't he?? PMSL

Me thinks someone needs to get out more and have a look at the real world.

 

[trainspotter]

LOL Jones contempt and disrespect is what's overwhelmingly clear...what a total grub he is.

Couldn't resist ............

 

[-Bevo-]

No doubt The Greens are in control here:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-turns-to-petrol/story-e6frg6xf-1226012289558

As Ms Gillard tried to take control of the debate, Senator Milne said the climate change committee behind the carbon plan had been the Greens idea and the party had ownership of the scheme "because it's the one we put on the table ourselves".

Senator Milne is already saying Petrol should be part of the Carbon Tax and prices must rise, cant see that been a vote winner.

 

[trainspotter]

Just read the paper. It is not a carbon TAX .... it is a carbon PRICE. There is a difference you know so therefore PM Julia Gillard is not a liar. She always said she made it repeatedly clear that the county needed a carbon PRICE. So there. All fixed now.

And we will all be better off due to the compensation package her government will deliver. Trust me ...... I am from the government.

 

[BigAl]

Still waiting for the benefits of this carbon tax. Anybody?

What about the "solar rebate" scheme whereby you place panels on your roof and it actually dumps more energy into the electricity grid. Each house more or less becomes self sufficient. Not as much need for a coal fired power station anymore when everyone is generating enough electricity to run their own homes?

Except that the energy consumed in manufacturing them, probably outweighs what they are saving in pollution.

Same story about Electric Cars. Sounds great, plug the Car into the Electric Grid and no omissions right? Wrong, no one takes into account the extra 10 x Coal Stations that need be built.

What does the Carbon Tax actually do, what does it achieve? Adds extra cost to everything we do, consume. Add's more complexity to an already monstrously complex Tax system. A portion of what the government collects now fuels more government jobs, adding to the bureaucracy and $$$.

Then there's the extra man-power in all businesses, large especially, that have extra paperwork to deal with, adding to not only the cost of the Tax itself but the monitoring off it... increase to the consumer.

After the government sucks out their % for Red Tape, what happens with this money? I can bet my bottom dollar that in a time of crisis (GFC2, another natural disaster) that the money will be diverted to there or whatever the Gov Goons see fit to use it for. The cynic in me tells me there'll be more overseas junkets on chartered jets to study the effects on climate change.

Anyone been game enough to predict what this will all do to inflation? To Interest Rates?

The real story here is that unless every other country is doing exactly the same as us, it will not count for one iota. In a nutshell, unless there's a program to cull the populations of 2 large countries, what we do / don't do means jack $hit.

 

[Julia]

Seriously Julia...if you genuinely don't think that grub Jones wasn't totally disrespectful of the office and the person then there's really no hope for the salvation of your humanity.

This is actually funny. i.e. that you are suggesting my humanity needs salvation because I am happy to see someone challenging our liar of a Prime Minister.

Politicians spin to us because they have to, they sell policy because the masses need to be convinced that XYZ is good for them, they need it packaged and softened because the Masses haven't got a bloody clue

Hard to believe even the most stalwart Labor supporter could say anything so silly.
The people are crying out for some honesty and genuine consultation from politicians.
They can see through the spin and it fuels their disgust and cynicism.

Please I am talking about a link between carbon and climate I would think there is little support for a new tax.

OK, thank you for acknowledging that.

Please again I am talking about a link between carbon and climate not the method of dealing with it.

We haven't seen any survey results on this for quite some time. I don't know, but my guess would be that there is much less enthusiasm about the whole climate change thing than may have existed a couple of years ago.

Can you ever do some of your own research?

I was hoping that someone, anyone, who actually believes that any form of pricing carbon, putting a tax on it, whatever, in the absence of the most important economies in the world doing likewise, could explain how Australia is not going to be hugely disadvantaged by this, both as an economy and for individual consumers for whom the price of absolutely everything will increase.

Re the Greens now running the country, for anyone who hasn't read the article, the following is the relevant extract.

At Thursday's joint media conference, Gillard and Combet stood with Brown, Greens deputy leader Christine Milne and the two Labor supporting independents, Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott.
"Majority government wouldn't have delivered this outcome," Milne boasted.

Later in the week, she said,
"We certainly have ownership of this scheme because it's the one that we ut on the table ourselves. We argued for it in the election campaign. And it's because of Greens in the balance of power that we've got it."

No misunderstanding or room for interpretation there, huh? Gillard is dancing to the Greens' tune in order to hold on to her job, nothing to do with what is best for Australia or its citizens.

Christine Milne is a single issue zealot of the worst order.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I'd agree with all above Julia.

SC you are in lurve.

and it is blind.

gg

 

[sails]

The Poll over at the Herald Sun is still ticking over and is retaining about the same percentage of a definite NO with a large majority:

Do you support a price on carbon?

* Yes 14.87% (4608 votes)
* No 85.13% (26376 votes)

Total votes: 30984

Problem is that many people don't believe a carbon tax or a price on carbon will actually make much difference especially if little Australia is the only one doing this. Like trying to empty the ocean with a teaspoon. Then add the anger over Gillard's blatant LIE and this is not going to be forgotten quickly.

 

[drsmith]

The 14.87% must be that Green majority.

 

[noco]

The image of our Prime Minister, the right 'DISHONOURABLE' Juliar Gillard MP has lost all credibility with her deceitfullness. She should now do the 'HONOURABLE' thing and call an election based on a CARBON TAX. If she can't do that, she should resign.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...d_must_give_us_a_new_election_before_her_tax/

 

[GumbyLearner]

Rant on guys. I do fear for your collective sanity if you ever actually wake up.

Don't count me in your collective analysis basilio. That's my gripe about this whole nasty process. Don't forget Mal Turntable including his bankrupt buddies working for Obama and half the Australian Libs are pro carbon tax too.

Watch out ASFers the big boss has done a head count.

Julia Gillard said this week
"We are very big emitters of carbon pollution per head of population, one of the biggest emitters in the world."

Maybe some peoples heads are bigger than others? Fallacy of Decomposition still in play. I better move to Milsons Point or Toorak and trade my Ford XF 250 cross flow in for a Prius or better yet move out of my modest electric/gas heated 3br brick veneer abode in the burbs, to my solar cell powered Mansion where community comes first. At least that way I could afford to pay for the organically grown lentil burgers with myutility cost savings. And "collectively" contribute to saving the planet from it's misery.
What happens if I don't want to?

 

[Slipperz]

The image of our Prime Minister, the right 'DISHONOURABLE' Juliar Gillard MP has lost all credibility with her deceitfullness. She should now do the 'HONOURABLE' thing and call an election based on a CARBON TAX. If she can't do that, she should resign.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...d_must_give_us_a_new_election_before_her_tax/

Fair call that piece.

Why even bother having an election if the platform on which you are elected is built on lies?

Just say whatever you think will get you elected and then do what you like once you win.

In all the dodgy political acts I've seen over the years this has to be the new benchmark lowest of the low. Especially considering how Kevin Rudd got the midnight knock on ahem....climate change issues.

I don't even want to hear the lying bitch defend herself cos as soon as she opens her mouth and starts talking like she's talking to 6 year olds in special ed having trouble spelling tr rrr ee I want to throw a rock at my television.

:swear::swear::swear::swear::swear:

 

[nulla nulla]

...I better move to Milsons Point or Toorak and trade my Ford XF 250 cross flow in for a Prius..

How can you even suggest such a horrible thing? "...trading a Ford XF 250 cross flow for a Prius..." you should recant and flagelate yourself.

Seriously though, does the Ford have the alloy triton motor or the cast iron version?

 

[noco]

Fair call that piece.

Why even bother having an election if the platform on which you are elected is built on lies?

Just say whatever you think will get you elected and then do what you like once you win.

In all the dodgy political acts I've seen over the years this has to be the new benchmark lowest of the low. Especially considering how Kevin Rudd got the midnight knock on ahem....climate change issues.

I don't even want to hear the lying bitch defend herself cos as soon as she opens her mouth and starts talking like she's talking to 6 year olds in special ed having trouble spelling tr rrr ee I want to throw a rock at my television.

:swear::swear::swear::swear::swear:

She asked Abbott to sack Scott Morrison (the shadow immigration minister) over a minuscule statement he made on bloody asylum seekers. Her deceitfullness far outways Scott Morrison so she should resign herself. What a HIPOCRITE!!!!!!!!

 

[Slipperz]

She asked Abbott to sack Scott Morrison (the shadow immigration minister) over a minuscule statement he made on bloody asylum seekers. Her deceitfullness far outways Scott Morrison so she should resign herself. What a HIPOCRITE!!!!!!!!

Speaking of here's his thoughts on the matter.

I wonder if they'll bring Gillard down with this or not, surely this has to be his best chance to do the damage politically?

http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/7871/Interview-with-Sabra-Lane-AM-Programme-ABC-Radio.aspx

"I think that if she goes ahead with this tax it will look like a conspiracy of the parliament against the people."

Well said from the leader of the opposition.