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Labor's carbon tax lie

I posted this in the "Gillard Govt" thread not realising this thread had opened......

Setting aside the obvious comments about Ms Gillard having caught the "backflip" virus, the likelihood of the Carbon Tax is now looking like a done deal (unexpected by-elections excepted).

Personaly I think it is a stupid idea and the cost is ultimately going to be borne by the man in the street.

The biggest tax/cost will be aimed at the coal fueled power stations. Naturaly the cost will be passed on to the consumers. If you think power prices went up recently, wait until you see the flow on effect of this tax.

The second biggest polluter tax/cost to be passed on, will be be at cars/trucks etc. I'm currious to see whether this will be passed on as a user pays tax by adding a few cents to the price of fuel or will they bang it onto the annual registration of any and every vehicle regardless of the extent the vehicle pollutes?

No wonder the NSW Labor Government was in such a hurry to unload the state owned power industry. They didn't want to/couldn't afford to pick up the infrastructure & maintance costs and probably knew the back flip tax was comming. Let it be the privatised owners carrying the bogeyman label for increased power costs and not them.

Not good.
 
Nice to see Labor setting their own agenda rather than running on stop everything wrecker Abbott's.

Of course its just another great big tax blah blah

Looking forward to the usual complaints, and demanding questions asking the obvious that's being readily available for quite some time.

Its also a nice separation now for a whole range of ideological arguments Labor/ Liberal, climate change, tax, costs, etc should be fun.
 
Nice to see Labor setting their own agenda rather than running on stop everything wrecker Abbott's.

Of course its just another great big tax blah blah

Looking forward to the usual complaints, and demanding questions asking the obvious that's being readily available for quite some time.

Its also a nice separation now for a whole range of ideological arguments Labor/ Liberal, climate change, tax, costs, etc should be fun.

Their agenda, or the greens? :eek:
 
Nice to see Labor setting their own agenda rather than running on stop everything wrecker Abbott's.

Of course its just another great big tax blah blah

Looking forward to the usual complaints, and demanding questions asking the obvious that's being readily available for quite some time.

Its also a nice separation now for a whole range of ideological arguments Labor/ Liberal, climate change, tax, costs, etc should be fun.

Please explain ............. How is this "price on carbon" (notice I was very careful to not use the word TAX) going to benefit me? I have googled, binged, AskJeeves and Wikianswers and for the life of me I just don't get it?

How is taxing people who use carbon content fuels for energy going to lower greenhouse-gas emissions???????

Oh wait .... I found this perfect statement that explains everything there is to know about why we need a CARBON TAX.

"So in order to reduce the fees, utilities, business and individuals attempt to use less energy derived from fossil fuels"

and this one ........

"Carbon tax also encourages alternative energy by making it cost-competitive with cheaper fuels."

Whooooaaaa MAMA ........ how about this then?

"And don't forget about all the money raised by the tax. It can help subsidize environmental programs or be issued as a rebate."

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IFocus and So_Cyclical ...... tell me you are not serious? :(

This is not about Labor/Liberal ...... I REALLY DON'T GIVE A FLYING FLICK ABOUT THE POLITICS. This is not going to do anything at all? Ok ok okok okk .... Let's tax the great big naughty carbon polluting companies. Then we collect the tax and pay it back as "compensation" to the people affected by paying more for electicity for example. What's the point again?

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explain it to me in very simple terms as to how this is a good thing???

(and check your politics at the door before entering the discussion)
 
Nice to see Labor setting their own agenda rather than running on stop everything wrecker Abbott's.

Labor setting it's own agenda???:rolleyes:

Take a look at the gaggle of opportunists behind Gillard....all economy wreckers.

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Oh goodie...a brand spanking new Labor bashing thread :banghead: just what this forum needed. :rolleyes: drsmith im curious, do you and Tranny actually have any money in the stock market or are you two here just for the endless Labor bashing opportunity's presented by this forum?
Labor has presented itself for bashing on this one. The shirt they are now wearing says "Carbon tax" on the front and "Kick me" on the back. Meanwhile, unelected Co-PM Bob Brown and the Greens are happily watching on, once again escaping scrutiny behind the veil of dust.

As for your curiosity about matters other than the topic at hand, is that a reflection of your own realisation of betrayal ?

Bob Brown said before the election there would be a price on carbon this term. Julia Gillard and Wayne swan said there wouldn't. It's now clear that for power, Labor sold their soul to the Greens at the expense of the Australian people and for that, they will pay a high political price.
 
Nice to see Labor setting their own agenda rather than running on stop everything wrecker Abbott's.

Of course its just another great big tax blah blah

Their own agenda ??, see my post above.

If your so happy about paying more and more taxes, you're welcome to pay mine.
 
By so blatantly going back on her election promise, I think she will always be remembered as "Julia the liar" or perhaps "Juliar".

Even her surname "Gillard" contains letters that make up the word "liar".

Frankly, I don't care if it was a core or non core promise - she obviously lied for votes. That is despicable, IMO. Surely with something as major as this, the decent thing is to put it to the people BEFORE an election. Then there is no argument if ALP wins that election in their own right and they have the mandate from the people.

The days before the last election Juliar repeatedly (and it was irritatingly frequent) scared people about work choices and with a bit smirk would state, "there will be NO carbon tax in my government". Swan also confirmed that there would be NO carbon tax in a labor government.

LIES... LIES... LIES.... there is no other word for it, IMO...:eek:
 
It must have been a non-core promise.
Did she say there will "never ever" be a carbon tax?


In any case, there are better (and cheaper) ways to go about this - personally I'm against the carbon tax.

If the government wants to reduce carbon emissions and/or raise capital for the ETS in 2015, why not look at the Fossil Fuel subsidies? IIRC the Fuel Tax Credits programs costs $5 billion a year, and most of that goes into the mining companies' pockets as diesel subsidies.

One less tax + up to $5b pa saved and a larger rollback of the mining tax could be offset.
 
It seems to be a roundabout way of redistributing the wealth. It goes like this;

. Gillard puts a tax on rich carbon polluters

. the big polluters raise the price of electricity to cover the tax

. Gillard gives the tax collected to the poor to pay for their raised power costs.

No prize for guessing who is the big loser. Well, its the consumers who don't qualify for the handouts.

Does it remind you of the flood levy?
 
The above article also says there is speculation Gillard may be replaced by Bill Shorten. 0ill he be any better?
I highly doubt Gillard will be toppled this term. She lacks Rudd's ego and actually speaks to her ministers.
 
I doubt it will make it to the starting post,
or if it does, that Gillard will be the PM to wave the checkered flag at the finish. Govt credibility is in tatters.

Bob Brown must be strutting around Canberra like some latter-day potentate, cos he's running the country now. And control of the Senate in July.

That I should live to see the day that the supposed 'friend of the worker' ALP would dish out this bs. Don't see the electorate copping much more.
 
I highly doubt Gillard will be toppled this term. She lacks Rudd's ego and actually speaks to her ministers.

I wonder if she speaks in that patronising voice to them. Surely they must tire of the droning voice and question if she actually means a thing she says. But, of course, labor ministers HAVE to toe the line. They don't have the freedom of the coalition.

With Gillard, it doesn't matter if it's written down or recorded on national TV, she's still quite happy to renege on her promises.

She calls Abbott a "wrecker" but has three fingers pointing back at herself...grrr
 
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