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Knobby22 said:
The carbon tax is not looking great so far.

Can't support it.
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It appears you may not be the only one.
Tony Windsor, in a Radio National interview this morning, said "there may not even be a carbon tax", as he reminded Fran Kelly about the reality of the parliament's situation.

For the other thread, of course, but he also said he was unlikely to support Andrew Wilkie's pokie reform.
 
Julia said:
It appears you may not be the only one.
Tony Windsor, in a Radio National interview this morning, said "there may not even be a carbon tax", as he reminded Fran Kelly about the reality of the parliament's situation.

For the other thread, of course, but he also said he was unlikely to support Andrew Wilkie's pokie reform.
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That's going to be interesting if Wilke holds good on his threat to withhold support for the government. Although, I would think there would be a lot of pork barrelling going on (also known as blackmail in some circumstances). Taxpayer funds seem to be like play money to labor. Just throw it away, go and get some more and thumb your nose at the people who provide it.
 
The situation that concerns me is the fact that this Labor Government may well stake a price on carbon dioxide of say $25 per tonne and offer a token compensation to 'WORKING FAMILIES' but then each year after that, they may well increase the tax by say $5 per tonne per year and leave the compensation without being indexed.
The more the increase, which may be $60 per tonne by 2020, the more the cost of living will increase as the tax is passed on to consumers.
I just do not trust this sneaky Labor Government and their modus operandi.
 
I agree Noco, and this thead is about the Gillard and Swan big carbon tax lie - nothing can be believed anymore, IMO. If they had been honest about introducing a carbon tax before the election, there is a good chance that labor would not be in government now. And yet she seems to think she has a mandate. Perhaps she also thinks that pigs fly and cows jump over the moon...:rolleyes:

How anyone can believe a word Gillard or Swan say is beyond me.


 
So, millions of households will be supposedly be better off if the government gives half (or thereabouts) of the carbon tax proceeds back to taxpayers.

There are obviously millions of households that won't.
 
The "penny has finally dropped", more of the brain has been engaged, finally!

CLIMATE ADVISER ROSS GARNAUT pushes soil carbon scheme.

Research has been ongoing but much more is needed.
Agriculture carbon sequestration will improve productivity throughout australia.

If Australia can push this, then we really will be leading the world in something positive and that is "food production".

The secret will finally come out "herbicides kill soil microbes" and reduces productivity.
This then increases the need for synthetic fertilizers.

The fertilizer company's have been sitting on this for years. Similar to the "tobacco secret".

More about this at "Amazing Carbon Site" , article is "Will carbon save agricultures bacon".

Cheers.
 
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-flay-carbon-tax/story-e6frgd0x-1226039352478
"THERE is now a common view among the Gillard government's friends and foes about the additional costs to industry of a carbon tax.

That is, it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back in relation to future investment, the survival of some of the manufacturing sector and the full recovery of a still fragile, patchwork economy.

Company chiefs and shop-floor workers find they are now on the same side.

There is also a common view among employers and employees that the government's process and timetable are flawed, short on detail, politically motivated and not guaranteed of success..."
 
drsmith said:
So, millions of households will be supposedly be better off if the government gives half (or thereabouts) of the carbon tax proceeds back to taxpayers.

There are obviously millions of households that won't.
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It is now quite obvious that the carbon tax is actually the socialist policy of the redistribution of wealth under another name.
 
Pity that Ms Gillard and Three Independents will stick together for the duration of 3-years once in a lifetime opportunity.

Let’s face it, if current Government fails to run the distance, it is highly unlikely interested parties would have such a free ride again.

So truth is this farce will last the distance, only hope that next time around voters will be more informed to make better decision.
 
It now appears fairly evident, Julia Gillard is now losing support from the grass roots of the union movement with her stupid carbon dioxide tax. Howes has made a commitment to withdraw support for Gillard if just one job is lost through her tax, which I might add will do nothing for climate change.
I would say we all believe in climate change which is a natural phenomenon that noboby can prevent. Man made? I doubt it.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ate_how_angry_members_are_about_gillards_tax/
 
noco said:
It now appears fairly evident, Julia Gillard is now losing support from the grass roots of the union movement with her stupid carbon dioxide tax. Howes has made a commitment to withdraw support for Gillard if just one job is lost through her tax, which I might add will do nothing for climate change.
I would say we all believe in climate change which is a natural phenomenon that noboby can prevent. Man made? I doubt it.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai...ate_how_angry_members_are_about_gillards_tax/
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Labor is in melt down Stage 1...
However I cannot workout how many stages there are.:banghead:
Things are looking up!!!
They had better, because if the Carbon tax passes in the Senate it will be a few years before it can be recompiled into something more than wealth distribution.
Cheers
 
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/
"...UPDATE
Reader Mick:
I have just resigned from the C.F.M.E.U.(mining), after being a member for 32 years. The leadership of this union is betraying its members.It has not consulted the members on what direction should be taken concerning the carbon (DIOXIDE) price(TAX).

They are promoting and pushing the stupid ALP/GREENS tax. They are not concerned with job security. They are not concerned that power stations may close down. They are not concerned on the costs of living for all Australians.

I have chosen not to be a defacto greenie..."
 
noco said:
Combet is now exceeding Gillard's number of lies with this carbon dioxide tax. These two must be having a compettion as to who can tell more lies than the other.


http://blogs.news.com.au/couriermai.../48_times_combet_lied_about_carbon_pollution/
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You are correct!
But when will the lies end.?
It's almost like these people go on TV and tell these lies, but do not listen to the people.
It must be a Labor virus.!
Are they from outer space?
We have a big problem! Its bigger than the population realise.
Cheers
 
joea said:
We have a big problem! Its bigger than the population realise.
Cheers
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The population are gradually catching on to the reality of the carbon tax.
Imo the recent pretty strong stand of most of the unions, specifically Paul Howes who was probably Ms Gillard's strongest backer in the coup against our Kev, is really going to make the 'ordinary' person think a bit harder.

When you have business and the unions in agreement, the government has to be feeling more than a little nervous.
 
Julia said:
When you have business and the unions in agreement, the government has to be feeling more than a little nervous.
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Indeed.

If it's one or the other than many will rationalise that as simply pushing whatever policy suits their own interests be it business or the unions. But when you have both sides saying the same thing, well that's somewhat harder to dismiss.

Maybe it will happen, but I'll believe this carbon tax when I see it. :2twocents
 
Labor MPs urge Julia Gillard to act quickly on Carbon Tax to limit political pain.

Alf from Sth Tweed comment is as follows:

"Stand firm Gillard I want to witness you going down with your ship.

This in todays Australian.
Cheers
 

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