Julie Bishop for PM

drsmith · 26 January 2015

As much as I hate to say it, poor old Tones has done his dash and perhaps from this point, the best thing he can do for the party and the nation as a whole is facilitate an orderly transition to a new leader.

While a favourite of the Left when he's a rung or two below looking enviously up, Malcolm Turnbull was a failure as opposition leader and while Scott Morrison was outstanding as immigration minister, we need to see his metal in a major domestic portfolio before he can be considered. For the period ahead, he's got that opportunity.

The government also needs to effectively steer the economic narrative and for that, Joe Hockey has demonstrated he's simply not up to the task. He has to vacate his role as treasurer as well.

My choice would be the long serving deputy Julie Bishop to lead the party and the country with Malcolm Turnbull as her treasurer. I'd first like to see how politically competent Malcolm is in his natural arena before he has another opportunity to step up to the party leadership.

SirRumpole · 26 January 2015

drsmith said:
As much as I hate to say it, poor old Tones has done his dash and perhaps from this point, the best thing he can do for the party and the nation as a whole is facilitate an orderly transition to a new leader.

While a favourite of the Left when he's a rung or two below looking enviously up, Malcolm Turnbull was a failure as opposition leader and while Scott Morrison was outstanding as immigration minister, we need to see his metal in a major domestic portfolio before he can be considered. For the period ahead, he's got that opportunity.

The government also needs to effectively steer the economic narrative and for that, Joe Hockey has demonstrated he's simply not up to the task. He has to vacate his role as treasurer as well.

My choice would be the long serving deputy Julie Bishop to lead the party and the country with Malcolm Turnbull as her treasurer. I'd first like to see how politically competent Malcolm is in his natural arena before he has another opportunity to step up to the party leadership.

That is a fairly astute observation Dr Smith, I concur.

Both Abbott and Hockey are demonstrably not up to the job, and Turnbull's talents are wasted in Communications even though he has a lot of expertise in that area. He is a natural replacement for Hockey.

Bishop-Turnbull would be a strong contender to get the Coalition's ship off the rocks, and may force a leadership change on the other side too (I hope), as Shorten is proving disappointing.

banco · 26 January 2015

drsmith said:
As much as I hate to say it, poor old Tones has done his dash and perhaps from this point, the best thing he can do for the party and the nation as a whole is facilitate an orderly transition to a new leader.

While a favourite of the Left when he's a rung or two below looking enviously up, Malcolm Turnbull was a failure as opposition leader and while Scott Morrison was outstanding as immigration minister, we need to see his metal in a major domestic portfolio before he can be considered. For the period ahead, he's got that opportunity.

The government also needs to effectively steer the economic narrative and for that, Joe Hockey has demonstrated he's simply not up to the task. He has to vacate his role as treasurer as well.

My choice would be the long serving deputy Julie Bishop to lead the party and the country with Malcolm Turnbull as her treasurer. I'd first like to see how politically competent Malcolm is in his natural arena before he has another opportunity to step up to the party leadership.

We haven't seen Bishop's metal in a domestic portfolio either. Foreign Minister isn't that hard a gig as long as you remember the lines DFAT has fed you.

Plus it wouldn't take any imagination for Labor's spin doctors to paint her as an out of touch elitist (hey if the jimmy choo shoe fits).

IFocus · 26 January 2015

banco said:
We haven't seen Bishop's metal in a domestic portfolio either. Foreign Minister isn't that hard a gig as long as you remember the lines DFAT has fed you.

Plus it wouldn't take any imagination for Labor's spin doctors to paint her as an out of touch elitist (hey if the jimmy choo shoe fits).

As always Banco totally right Bishop is not that deep cannot remember anything intellectual that she has achieved and as education minister Bishop was fairly ordinary.

Being from WA and delivering funds for the Liberal party she has been rewarded with deputy....as a barren single female in the Liberal party for leader................. never.

Julia · 26 January 2015

IFocus said:
..as a barren single female in the Liberal party for leader................. never.

What on earth does her childbearing status have to do with her capacity to do a good job politically?

It was good enough for Labor to accept in Julia Gillard, similar comments about whom rightfully aroused an outcry.

She may have chosen not to have children, not that that is any of your business. The use of the word "barren" is as awful now as it was when applied to Gillard.

banco · 26 January 2015

Julia said:
What on earth does her childbearing status have to do with her capacity to do a good job politically?

It was good enough for Labor to accept in Julia Gillard, similar comments about whom rightfully aroused an outcry.

She may have chosen not to have children, not that that is any of your business. The use of the word "barren" is as awful now as it was when applied to Gillard.

Makes her less marketable to the public. Do you think Abbott's four daughters have anything to do with his capacity to do a good job? Probably not but they are great props on the campaign trail.

sptrawler · 26 January 2015

From memory, under duress, Bishop was found wanting.
The media has carved up Abbott.
I tend to think Morrison is the only one, who seems to be able to think on his feet and stare down the press.

IMO Abbott hasn't done a bad job, playing with a crap hand, he just doesn't have the charisma and the press hate him.

C'est la vie.

IFocus · 26 January 2015

Julia said:
What on earth does her childbearing status have to do with her capacity to do a good job politically?

It was good enough for Labor to accept in Julia Gillard, similar comments about whom rightfully aroused an outcry.

She may have chosen not to have children, not that that is any of your business. The use of the word "barren" is as awful now as it was when applied to Gillard.

As usual your points are absolutely 110% correct unfortunately I am re-quoting what leading power brokers in the Liberal party have said about Gillard ( Bill Heffernan) and applied the sentiment to their own.

The fact there is an under representation of talent and or females in the cabinet would seem to reinforce that sentiment.

Given the centre of power in the Liberal party currently exists in the right wing and Bishop is not a member of this group then there is a snow balls chance in hell of her becoming leader of the Liberal party.

I do share the opinion that out of a bunch of red neck Neanderthals on the front bench Bishop is a stand out but like Abbott far from PM material fit to lead this fine country of ours for all Australians.

sptrawler · 26 January 2015

IFocus said:
As usual your points are absolutely 110% correct unfortunately I am re-quoting what leading power brokers in the Liberal party have said about Gillard ( Bill Heffernan) and applied the sentiment to their own.

The fact there is an under representation of talent and or females in the cabinet would seem to reinforce that sentiment.

Given the centre of power in the Liberal party currently exists in the right wing and Bishop is not a member of this group then there is a snow balls chance in hell of her becoming leader of the Liberal party.

I do share the option that out of a bunch of red neck Neanderthals on the front bench Bishop is a stand out but like Abbott far from PM material fit to lead this fine country of ours for all Australians.

That is the qualified opinion of someone who thought Rudd was good, sorry I meant Gillard was good, apologies, we'll go with the first loser again.lol
You really are funny.

Tisme · 27 January 2015

IFocus said:
As usual
Given the centre of power in the Liberal party currently exists in the right wing and Bishop is not a member of this group then there is a snow balls chance in hell of her becoming leader of the Liberal party.

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I wonder how Liberal tragics would view labelling Julie with the same vile comments afforded Gillard by their heroes back in the day? Your "barren" comment is spot on in highlighting the indignation based on tribal loyalty. Political favourites aside, Bishop is not a shadow of the talent Gillard is and Julie's current success is in no small part due to the success of both Rudd and Gillard gaining traction on all things international in the foreign affairs portfolio. And for the record I don't like any of the three of them.

Bishop is not good Liberal Prime Minister material: she is a dinosaur Anglican in a sea of Catholics, she does not display any freedom of thought outside the party line, she is an indoctrinated public servant from an early age, she does not have the support of her misogynist colleagues and she is a West Australian.

The seat in the UN, the courtesy of neighbours regardless of her insults, etc are gifts from previous standout ministers like Evans, Smith and Rudd and outward looking PM's like Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd and Gillard and credit must be given to Howard, Peacock and Hewson who gave support to Hawke and Keating with their reform agendas.

It's very easy to be the brightest bulb in a pack when the rest are one shot duds.

SirRumpole · 27 January 2015

Tisme said:
I wonder how Liberal tragics would view labelling Julie with the same vile comments afforded Gillard by their heroes back in the day? Your "barren" comment is spot on in highlighting the indignation based on tribal loyalty. Political favourites aside, Bishop is not a shadow of the talent Gillard is and Julie's current success is in no small part due to the success of both Rudd and Gillard gaining traction on all things international in the foreign affairs portfolio. And for the record I don't like any of the three of them.

Bishop is not good Liberal Prime Minister material: she is a dinosaur Anglican in a sea of Catholics, she does not display any freedom of thought outside the party line, she is an indoctrinated public servant from an early age, she does not have the support of her misogynist colleagues and she is a West Australian.

The seat in the UN, the courtesy of neighbours regardless of her insults, etc are gifts from previous standout ministers like Evans, Smith and Rudd and outward looking PM's like Hawke, Keating, Howard, Rudd and Gillard and credit must be given to Howard, Peacock and Hewson who gave support to Hawke and Keating with their reform agendas.

It's very easy to be the brightest bulb in a pack when the rest are one shot duds.

You may be right, but don't spread it around.

I you were a Coalition supporter, who would you rather see as PM ?

Tisme · 27 January 2015

SirRumpole said:
You may be right, but don't spread it around.

I you were a Coalition supporter, who would you rather see as PM ?

As you know I am not aligned to any party, but the way I look at who should do what is based on my shareholding in Company Australia..... in other words if Oz was a listed company and Government was the board of directors, what would I want the company to be doing e.g. growing, stagnating or going backwards, would I want them to slow the widgets being produced to reduce debt or expand based on increased debt, would I want to hear about a previous board's mistakes or hear about future directions, etc?

Of course that expands through the whole responsibilities of government, with the major requirement for good governance, social agendas, etc.

In am ocean of beige Catholics (tribally bound to a foreign power) on both sides of the political fence I can't say I am particularly fond of any of them. We seem to be going through one of those spells where nothing much happens and we are just waiting for someone with leadership qualities to surface.

Honestly I can't think of anyone PM material ATM Rumpole

SirRumpole · 27 January 2015

Tisme said:
As you know I am not aligned to any party, but the way I look at who should do what is based on my shareholding in Company Australia..... in other words if Oz was a listed company and Government was the board of directors, what would I want the company to be doing e.g. growing, stagnating or going backwards, would I want them to slow the widgets being produced to reduce debt or expand based on increased debt, would I want to hear about a previous board's mistakes or hear about future directions, etc?

Of course that expands through the whole responsibilities of government, with the major requirement for good governance, social agendas, etc.

In am ocean of beige Catholics (tribally bound to a foreign power) on both sides of the political fence I can't say I am particularly fond of any of them. We seem to be going through one of those spells where nothing much happens and we are just waiting for someone with leadership qualities to surface.

Honestly I can't think of anyone PM material ATM Rumpole

Yep, very sad. No Hawke, Keating or Howard around.

Turnbull is the only one with the brains to do the job imo, but the Libs won't have him.

Maybe we should hibernate for a while.

Logique · 27 January 2015

drsmith said:
...My choice would be the long serving deputy Julie Bishop to lead the party and the country with Malcolm Turnbull as her treasurer. I'd first like to see how politically competent Malcolm is in his natural arena before he has another opportunity to step up to the party leadership.

Leaning to this also Doc, but it's not without risk.

Turnbull for Treasurer I wholeheartedly support.

But Julie Bishop hardly set the world on fire as Treasurer. Scott Morrison has the potential, but it is too soon in his career, he should not be thrown to the wolves.

The danger for Tony Abbott is that it comes to a point where his colleagues say '..what have we got to lose?'

Love to be a fly on the wall as incoming PM Bishop strolls up to Peta Credlin's desk...'I'm your new boss'

Tisme · 27 January 2015

Logique said:
Love to be a fly on the wall as incoming PM Bishop strolls up to Peta Credlin's desk...'I'm your new boss'

The Credlin Govt deserves a bit of a G Up for its incredibly poor KPI achievements. Both Credlin and Abbott lack an established public brand as venerable as Howard (for instance) had, so while Howard was half the dynamo as each of his two predecessors he could get away with doing zip and making the odd faux pas along the way until he too delegated his responsibilities to public servants and trashed his brand by whimping out to Bush, lying about children overboard and the vociferously class war "workchoices".

Howard was so good in centralizing LNP power in it's prime minister that without a long time in parliament learning how to wield that power there are just to many balls for someone like Abbott to juggle ... he just is not up to the task and he has abrogated in favour of his circle of trust ... and I can't think off anyone other prime minister except Rudd who was stupid enough to think he could trust his colleagues.

There is a good synopsis piece about Howard I managed to find from back in the day that gives a good idea of how Howard cemented his place so well, future LNP kings would have a hard time wielding the isolated power bestowed on them. It's one of those articles I remembered because of the abstract about Sir Frederick Wheeler and his disdain at the abuse against the tradition and office of the Prime Minister (regardless of tribe) by way of the dismissal in 1975.....which as it turns out set us free from the shackles of the British govt, bravo.

http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2007/april/1298352657/brian-toohey/lone-ranger

moXJO · 27 January 2015

IFocus said:
As usual your points are absolutely 110% correct unfortunately I am re-quoting what leading power brokers in the Liberal party have said about Gillard ( Bill Heffernan) and applied the sentiment to their own.

The fact there is an under representation of talent and or females in the cabinet would seem to reinforce that sentiment.

Given the centre of power in the Liberal party currently exists in the right wing and Bishop is not a member of this group then there is a snow balls chance in hell of her becoming leader of the Liberal party.

I do share the opinion that out of a bunch of red neck Neanderthals on the front bench Bishop is a stand out but like Abbott far from PM material fit to lead this fine country of ours for all Australians.

Actually I wouldn't be surprised if it was used against her. An upper class barren snob out of touch with mothers and families. Someone would throw it out there as a takedown.

moXJO · 27 January 2015

Tisme said:
The Credlin Govt deserves a bit of a G Up for its incredibly poor KPI achievements. Both Credlin and Abbott lack an established public brand as venerable as Howard

Abbott has a very strong public brand. He has united labor and lib under the banner of dislike. Terrible can be a brand right?

Seriously is Abbott following some kind of tactic that will come into play at the final hour and stun us all. The only upside is he is not wasting billions on Ruddesque type policy every week. It's mostly gaffes.
If in the libs position you would keep him as leader to take the heat, while raising the profile of potential PMs until closer to the election. I'm not sure who would fill the shoes of PM just yet, none of them seem up to scratch at this time. Labor needs another term in the wilderness to clear the deadwood as well.

Julia · 27 January 2015

IFocus said:
As usual your points are absolutely 110% correct unfortunately I am re-quoting what leading power brokers in the Liberal party have said about Gillard ( Bill Heffernan) and applied the sentiment to their own.

Fair enough and it was no more appropriate when applied to Gillard than it is now to Bishop.

Given the centre of power in the Liberal party currently exists in the right wing and Bishop is not a member of this group then there is a snow balls chance in hell of her becoming leader of the Liberal party.

That's a good point.

Tisme said:
I wonder how Liberal tragics would view labelling Julie with the same vile comments afforded Gillard by their heroes back in the day?

I'm not sure why a solitary inappropriate and vile comment by a character like Heffernan would constitute him being characterised as a 'hero' by anyone.
I'd imagine most of his colleagues were as appalled as were most of the electorate.

I just can't remember any other time when there was such a dearth of politicians able to inspire even a modicum of confidence.

Tisme · 27 January 2015

Julia said:
I just can't remember any other time when there was such a dearth of politicians able to inspire even a modicum of confidence.

Remember the duumvirate Whitlam and Lance Barnard team? Even then we had more talent running the place and in opposition than we do now!!!

drsmith · 27 January 2015

IFocus said:
As usual your points are absolutely 110% correct unfortunately I am re-quoting what leading power brokers in the Liberal party have said about Gillard ( Bill Heffernan) and applied the sentiment to their own.

You presented it though as your own opinion.

Two wrongs in the minds of some I suppose makes a right.

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