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bellenuit said:
I saw this clip over on HC. I'm not sure where to put it, but since JP is mentioned near the end, I thought I would put it here.

I have no idea who the guy talking is and I only know Jim Jeffries as a comedian, not as the host of some political talk show. But it is a sad reflection on how reporting has become when "celebrities" think they can get away with such distortion, particularly when they hide their own real world views from the public.

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The most important video of 2019.
 
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson: Okay, well that’s a killer question. Well, okay, so the first thing I would say is that fundamentally, I don’t know … there are a couple things that I cannot wrap my head around easily with Islam. One is what I see as the failure to separate church from state, and that’s a problem … Problem number two for me – and again, this may be a consequence of my ignorance, which I am trying to rectify: Muhammad was a warlord, and I don’t know what to do about that fact … The expansion that he initiated was unbelievably successful. Within six hundred years, it was the biggest empire that the world had ever seen, and it demolished Byzantine Christianity … The Buddhists were wiped out of Afghanistan, and we saw that echoed in the Taliban’s destruction of those great Buddhist monuments. And so, what I’m hoping is that there is a bridge – there better be a bridge.

His Words ... above

Jordan Peterson associated with several known anti-Muslim pundits, such as Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ezra Levant, and Dave Rubin. When asked about Islam, Peterson humbly clarified that he had not done much research on the topic and would be open to dialoguing with “moderate Muslims”

My comment on this .... his defender of late ... Ben Shapiro and his views on Islam are extreme !!

That a University ranked in the top 10, does not want him there for these views ... let alone his views about Gays and calling them disease spreading, his views on the climate change issue are even more absurd. Previously covered .... asked by a PHD when he was there ... about Ocean warming and Acidification ... his one word response ... NO .... on and on it went with even more absurd claims which were and are FALSE. Cambridge is one of the top 3 in climate change in the world ... let alone its Divinity School ... claiming he worked for the UN on climate change ... was absurd, he was on page 92 of the short report ... not a principal advisor, the paper was NOT about climate change and he was credited next to the Sherpas ,... the guys who climb Mount Everest.

Why the worlds leading or close to it University did not want Peterson is easy to see. That his TANTRUM when told telling them they would regret it, was a PSYCHOTIC break.

Telling them he would do his work with people from the school of divinity despite their action, is ABSURD. As a professor, or he used to be, a tenured one, the wishes of the students or any outside pressure is IRRELEVANT. IF anything the defense of him is coming from an extreme group of right wing people on religion, makes the decision even more correct.

In the case of someone like Peterson, who is I now know suffering depression, selling a book of self help, in itself is amusing. The depression since 2016 is even on his Wikipedia page.



I think it would have been a race, if the people in the climate change areas at Cambidge, the professors, ones WHO DO work with the UN and are regarded as top of the field were to be aware of him visiting, its likely they would have taken action as opposed to the separate School of Divinity.

Such is life. As to the excuse, that its ok to blurt it out and 12 Rules or excuses to express it, is what it is.

Thankfully his University funding was cut off in 2017 I believe, even U Tube closed his stuff down in terms of being paid for it, over 12 months ago well prior to its most recent efforts. As to his book, good riddance, and that leaves him with Fox News and Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump and his views are sick.
 
kahuna1 said:
Jordan Peterson associated with several known anti-Muslim pundits, such as Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Ezra Levant, and Dave Rubin.
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Still waiting for you to answer the question regarding Jordan Peterson: Could you point something out that was not factual in relation to what he had to say about Islam (in that earlier video)?

I would also add what anti-Muslim statements have been made by Sam Harris and Ayaan Hirsi Ali? I have listened to them extensively and they are not anti-muslim, but do have issues with Islam. I have only briefly heard Ben Shapiro speak and that didn't include anti-muslim rhetoric. I don't believe I have heard the other two.

In relation to Ben Shapiro, you said his views on Islam are extreme. Could you illustrate some of those views that you think are extreme? And don't go on about wearing that t-shirt. It was clearly meant as satire.

All I have read from you since you started on these threads are broad character assassination statements about lots of people, but you seem to have a complete inability to back these up with any detail to support them or that can be argued against.
 
bellenuit said:
Still waiting for you to answer the question regarding Jordan Peterson: Could you point something out that was not factual in relation to what he had to say about Islam (in that earlier video)?

I would also add what anti-Muslim statements have been made by Sam Harris and Ayaan Hirsi Ali? I have listened to them extensively and they are not anti-muslim, but do have issues with Islam. I have only briefly heard Ben Shapiro speak and that didn't include anti-muslim rhetoric. I don't believe I have heard the other two.

In relation to Ben Shapiro, you said his views on Islam are extreme. Could you illustrate some of those views that you think are extreme? And don't go on about wearing that t-shirt. It was clearly meant as satire.

All I have read from you since you started on these threads are broad character assassination statements about lots of people, but you seem to have a complete inability to back these up with any detail to support them or that can be argued against.
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Complete waste of time reading his drivel.

(mine might be too)
 
bellenuit said:
Still waiting for you to answer the question regarding Jordan Peterson: Could you point something out that was not factual in relation to what he had to say about Islam (in that earlier video)?

I would also add what anti-Muslim statements have been made by Sam Harris and Ayaan Hirsi Ali? I have listened to them extensively and they are not anti-muslim, but do have issues with Islam. I have only briefly heard Ben Shapiro speak and that didn't include anti-muslim rhetoric. I don't believe I have heard the other two.

In relation to Ben Shapiro, you said his views on Islam are extreme. Could you illustrate some of those views that you think are extreme? And don't go on about wearing that t-shirt. It was clearly meant as satire.

All I have read from you since you started on these threads are broad character assassination statements about lots of people, but you seem to have a complete inability to back these up with any detail to support them or that can be argued against.
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I also listen to many hours of Sam Harris. He is absolutely not anti-muslim or racist.
 
The key point is that Harris does far, far more than voice criticisms of Islam as part of a general critique of religion. He has repeatedly made clear that he thinks Islam is uniquely threatening: "While the other major world religions have been fertile sources of intolerance, it is clear that the doctrine of Islam poses unique problems for the emergence of a global civilization." He has insisted that there are unique dangers from Muslims possessing nuclear weapons, as opposed to nice western Christians (the only ones to ever use them) or those kind Israeli Jews: "It should be of particular concern to us that the beliefs of devout Muslims pose a special problem for nuclear deterrence." In his 2005 "End of Faith", he claimed that "Islam, more than any other religion human beings have devised, has all the makings of a thoroughgoing cult of death."

This is not a critique of religion generally; it is a relentless effort to depict Islam as the supreme threat. Based on that view, Harris, while depicting the Iraq war as a humanitarian endeavor, has proclaimed that "we are not at war with terrorism. We are at war with Islam."


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/apr/03/sam-harris-muslim-animus

Much like Peterson, in fact same rubbish .... ignores issues with a white, racist ISIS ....

Oh and I lover his view that the Iraq war as a humanitarian endeavor ....

Oh he sounds so balanced I fell over typing that !!

PS ... even Wikipedia
Harris considers Islam to be "especially belligerent and inimical to the norms of civil discourse", relative to other world religions. He asserts that the "dogmatic commitment to using violence to defend one’s faith, both from within and without" to varying degrees, is a central Islamic doctrine that is found in few other religions to the same degree, and that "this difference has consequences in the real world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Harris

Sorry rolling on the floor here !!




 
kahuna1 said:
Sorry rolling on the floor here !!
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You ought to be. You have a complete inability to address the question and a thorough lack of understanding of both Islam, political Islam and particularly of what is happening in the world.

You cannot even differentiate between having views on Islam and being anti-muslim which you claim. If you cannot actually show what is wrong about the comments Harris made, as opposed to the fact that he commented on Islam and Muslims, then you, as usual, have nothing to offer the discussion, but are simply a vacuous echo chamber of those who choose to name call rather than argue.
 
Tink said:
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Unbelievable. So wrong. Makes you want to cry for the child.

1. The judge should not be allowed to have children.
2. The politicians that allow that type of information to be indoctrinated into the classroom should be charged with child abuse.
 
dutchie said:
Any parent that sends their child to university (universities don't deserve a U) for an "education" is an idiot and is wasting their money.
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This is a rather absurd statement. Where should one go to learn? What if you want to be a doctor, for example?
 
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