Japanese Whaling?

[chops_a_must]

are you equally opposed to (amateur) fishing where fish suffer needlessly and are often left to bleed to death?

I think you're missing the point here B. Largely, amateur fisherman aren't dealing with various species on the brink of extinction. From a visual point, harpooning seems to be far more barbaric than hooking, although both are quite cruel IMO.

 

[--B--]

ok so one animal can be bled to death while another cant because it has a bigger brain and sings songs.

what about the slaughter of halal meat? same deal?

it simply appears that many believe whales deserve special treatment and it seems to me that this is a fairly hypocritical position to take.

 

[nioka]

I think you're missing the point here B. Largely, amateur fisherman aren't dealing with various species on the brink of extinction. From a visual point, harpooning seems to be far more barbaric than hooking, although both are quite cruel IMO.

Whales are no longer on the brink of extension and the Japanese helped this to come about.

 

[numbercruncher]

it simply appears that many believe whales deserve special treatment and it seems to me that this is a fairly hypocritical position to take.

All animals were created equal, but some Animals are more equal than others

 

[--B--]

I think you're missing the point here B. Largely, amateur fisherman aren't dealing with various species on the brink of extinction. From a visual point, harpooning seems to be far more barbaric than hooking, although both are quite cruel IMO.

we were discussing the method of the slaughter which was raised as a primary concern in all this. i honestly dont see harpooning any differently to hooking. i really dont know how else the whalers are supposed to capture and kill a whale.

in any case:

minke whales are not on the brink of extinction.
Humpback whale populations are growing and are not endangered.
Fin whales are endangered and i am 100% opposed to the slaughter of this species.

 

[chops_a_must]

Humpback whale populations are growing and are not endangered.
Fin whales are endangered and i am 100% opposed to the slaughter of this species.

They are growing, but they are nowhere near levels where it would be viable to have a sustainable and commercial level like the Japs want. Given their total incompetence when it comes to managing their own fisheries, how long do you reckon the population would remain growing if they were allowed to do whatever they want?

 

[--B--]

They are growing, but they are nowhere near levels where it would be viable to have a sustainable and commercial level like the Japs want.

50 per year?

do you know japan wants to slaughter more or is this a guess?

Given their total incompetence when it comes to managing their own fisheries, how long do you reckon the population would remain growing if they were allowed to do whatever they want?

im not advocating allowing them free reign to slaughter as many as they want. i dont however see a problem with the slaughter of 50 as this seems sustainable.

 

[numbercruncher]

Anyway I just think its a sham, firstly they call it Scientific, now its cultural, its nothing short of a Bloodthirst.

Here they are Slaughtering Dolphins .... Not sure maybe Medicinal reasons for this or some other feeble excuse/lie.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayltvUYnD2Y&eurl=http://www.flightofthehumpback.org/

 

[--B--]

maybe they just like to eat some whale, numbercruncher?

 

[ithatheekret]

Did we know that it was the EOF and Mc Arthur that introduced it for an immediate food supply ?


I've never tasted either , looks blaaaah . Has anyone here ?

I don't see the sense in it now that Asia is fish farming .

 

[nioka]

Did we know that it was the EOF and Mc Arthur that introduced it for an immediate food supply ?


I've never tasted either , looks blaaaah . Has anyone here ?

I don't see the sense in it now that Asia is fish farming .

I've eaten plenty. Not only that I've fed it to people who thought they were eating beef. I've also given rabbit to people who thought they were eating chicken. I can remember a chinese restraunt being found to be serving cat in their meals for some time before being caught. Whale, cat, rabbit, all protein in a protein starved world.
Never eaten dolphin but I did help put it in fish traps as bait when it was the thing to do. Snapper love it.

 

[prawn_86]

Never eaten dolphi.

So you havn't ever eaten canned tuna then?

 

[Ageo]

do u have the same problem with, say, people fishing from a jetty? its not uncommon to see fish flapping about and bleeding and then sliced open while still alive..

hehe B im a recreational fisherman and hunter, i know what your saying. I understand they have explosive heads on the harpoons but i have noticed a few videos that the whale is still kicking. When im out hunting, any projectile i use is enough to make sure that it takes the beast down with 1 hit, be it rabbits or even water buffalo.

Regarding fishing i know its the same as the whales but the difference is you dont have amutuers running the operation. If a professional fisherman handled fish as you mentioned then that would be unacceptable. Im just saying when hunting or fishing the animal deserves to be destroyed humanely as possible. Those few times where the whale was still kicking they should have known that they were being filmed and a 2nd harpoon should have been fired.

 

[numbercruncher]

I've eaten plenty. Not only that I've fed it to people who thought they were eating beef.

Thats virtually as low as spiking someones drink with GHB or feeding someone their pet dog and saying its a lamb roast, hope your proud of yourself, I think thats simply repulsive behaviour.

 

[Ageo]

Thats virtually as low as spiking someones drink with GHB or feeding someone their pet dog and saying its a lamb roast, hope your proud of yourself, I think thats simply repulsive behaviour.

Not always, i have fed many of my family members roo meat (which is so good for you) yet if i told them before that it was roo that would have declined in eating it.

The point being we need to snap out of being warm and fuzzy about eating things and eat whats good for us.

 

[--B--]

Regarding fishing i know its the same as the whales but the difference is you dont have amutuers running the operation. If a professional fisherman handled fish as you mentioned then that would be unacceptable. Im just saying when hunting or fishing the animal deserves to be destroyed humanely as possible. Those few times where the whale was still kicking they should have known that they were being filmed and a 2nd harpoon should have been fired.

i dont disagree with this however this seems to be more an issue of how they slaughter then the slaughter itself.

obviously there are times when the harpooning doesnt work as desired and these are the scenes plastered on our TVs to get the best reaction.

if the big issue for people is the occasional whale that writhes around half dead then perhaps we should be talking about better harpooning techniques rather than whaling itself.

 

[Ageo]

if the big issue for people is the occasional whale that writhes around half dead then perhaps we should be talking about better harpooning techniques rather than whaling itself.

lol but is it ever the issue people really talk about???

its like saying crimes with illegal handguns are on the rise so the only solution is to ban legal handguns. lolol makes no sense

Same with the harpooning, when they see the whales being dragged with blood etc.. they feel all upset and its not the harpooning technique they focus on but the actual slaughter when it should be the other way around.

Alot of people speak emotionally and never about facts, and thats why groups like the greens and peta have succeeded in gaining popularity, its because scare and hype tactics usually wins peoples views.

 

[chops_a_must]

50 per year?

do you know japan wants to slaughter more or is this a guess?

And how would either of us know how many they would want to catch?

 

[numbercruncher]

Not always, i have fed many of my family members roo meat (which is so good for you) yet if i told them before that it was roo that would have declined in eating it.

The point being we need to snap out of being warm and fuzzy about eating things and eat whats good for us.

Im glad your Family have a good sense of Humour, Im pretty sure that misrepresenting what you feed people is Illegal, if it happened to me I would certainly consider pressing charges.

Its a brave new world out there

 

[--B--]

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Same with the harpooning, when they see the whales being dragged with blood etc.. they feel all upset and its not the harpooning technique they focus on but the actual slaughter when it should be the other way around.

fully agree.

Alot of people speak emotionally and never about facts, and thats why groups like the greens and peta have succeeded in gaining popularity, its because scare and hype tactics usually wins peoples views.

absolutely. green groups are 100% based on propagating fear and misinformation to push their agendas.