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qldfrog said:
Still like that...
I like @Smurf1976 highlighting the arrogance of the west as a cause.
We aka west, not I , still see China as a mass of bicycle riding peasants going to the rice fields whereas it is a world factory sucking jobs from us and creating untold wealth.there.
And a feeling of a selected Han race akind to nazi ubermenschen...
We are still so naive with our democraties....
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Absolutely, I love the fact China is putting an 80% tarrif on our barley, because they believe the industry is subsidised by the Government.
I mean really, China talking about Government subsidies, when they own just about every industry in their Country.
Weird moral compass, that should ring massive alarm bells IMO.
Australia really needs to wake up.
 
qldfrog said:
Still like that...
I like @Smurf1976 highlighting the arrogance of the west as a cause.
We aka west, not I , still see China as a mass of bicycle riding peasants going to the rice fields whereas it is a world factory sucking jobs from us and creating untold wealth.there.
And a feeling of a selected Han race akind to nazi ubermenschen...
We are still so naive with our democraties....
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the 'Middle Kingdom' is their concept of being halfway between heaven and earth. It implies a certain elitism

But for a power projection that has bought endless dynasties that follow repeated cycles, the last century has seen Boxer rebellion, rise of Nationalism, civil war, Japanese invasion, Mao triumph, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Get Rich is Glorious, Tiananmen, and whatever the current slogan is, I do wonder what's next? Not forgetting Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
the 'Middle Kingdom' is their concept of being halfway between heaven and earth. It implies a certain elitism

But for a power projection that has bought endless dynasties that follow repeated cycles, the last century has seen Boxer rebellion, rise of Nationalism, civil war, Japanese invasion, Mao triumph, Great Leap Forward, Cultural Revolution, Get Rich is Glorious, Tiananmen, and whatever the current slogan is, I do wonder what's next? Not forgetting Tibet, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan.
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Believe it or not...Hong Kong and Taiwan will end up being part of one China...In 1997 when Britain made terms for the handover of Hong Kong China was not strong enough to oppose this.23years on they are and there is no hint of a US carrier fleet threatening them like in the not so distant past.There are sizeable minorities in Taiwan and Hong Kong that want to be part of one China.The "Middle Kingdom" is historical and goes way back,even when the western countries were killing them,bleeding them, and treating them with contempt.If I lived in Hong kong over the last 20 years I would have done my best to leave,but I have a western mentality.
 
chiff said:
Believe it or not...Hong Kong and Taiwan will end up being part of one China...In 1997 when Britain made terms for the handover of Hong Kong China was not strong enough to oppose this.23years on they are and there is no hint of a US carrier fleet threatening them like in the not so distant past.There are sizeable minorities in Taiwan and Hong Kong that want to be part of one China.The "Middle Kingdom" is historical and goes way back,even when the western countries were killing them,bleeding them, and treating them with contempt.If I lived in Hong kong over the last 20 years I would have done my best to leave,but I have a western mentality.
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correct. So, the lesson to be learned..... 50 years of negotiated "two systems, one country" ain't worth a piece of crap.

In other words, rule of law is a Western conceit. But a good one, IMO, and will bring a semblance of stability, whereas it would be fair to perceive by those exercising a capricious, arbitrary heavying of opposition, real or imagined, that their way is the winner.

It's looming as the 2020's battle of wills.
 
Dona Ferentes said:
correct. So, the lesson to be learned..... 50 years of negotiated "two systems, one country" ain't worth a piece of crap.

In other words, rule of law is a Western conceit. But a good one, IMO, and will bring a semblance of stability, whereas it would be fair to perceive by those exercising a capricious, arbitrary heavying of opposition, real or imagined, that their way is the winner.

It's looming as the 2020's battle of wills.
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Rule of Law depends who makes the laws..and in what circumstances .Probably not on China,but did you know that two weeks ago America made an attempt to kidnap Venezuelan president Madura so he could answer to US law.The team was trained in the US and the attempt launched from Columbia.Eight of the team were killed 23 captured(but more to come).Some in the US are calling it the "Bay of Piglets)Reminds me of Assange...we should answer to US law.
 
chiff said:
Rule of Law depends who makes the laws..and in what circumstances .Probably not on China,but did you know that two weeks ago America made an attempt to kidnap Venezuelan president Madura so he could answer to US law.The team was trained in the US and the attempt launched from Columbia.Eight of the team were killed 23 captured(but more to come).Some in the US are calling it the "Bay of Piglets)Reminds me of Assange...we should answer to US law.
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1. An Associated Press investigation found no evidence of U.S. government involvement in the plot.

https://apnews.com/79346b4e428676424c0e5669c80fc310
 
dutchie said:
US warns it could ‘disconnect’ from Australia over Victoria’s Belt and Road deal with China
https://www.news.com.au/finance/bus...a/news-story/abb23216ff1b334019e711b1a134ca22

Didn't Andrews get the message...

Huawei banned from Australian 5G network

https://www.news.com.au/technology/...k/news-story/d1d6ec001747ba51e7c5c8738021f7ee


China lied, people died.
China is dangerous to the world.
Wake up Australia.
Play the long game.
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Is China our enemy?I rarely read Australian newspapers...not reliable in the past.
 
THIS is how to battle Beijing: Few understand China's contempt for our way of life - and their determination to destroy it. NORMAN BAKER says we have no choice but to hit back

In my dealings with China over many years, I have learnt one hard fact: they do not play by the same rules as other countries. They play dirty.

China’s Communist regime has no time for debate, let alone opposing points of view. It despises democracy and wants to see it replaced as the natural form of government.

This mean, self-interested cynicism is already changing the way we live and it is time that Western democracies like ours took off their rose-tinted glasses and saw the regime for what it really is.

We must come together as a free world to tackle it before it is too late.

You can be sure that any country that invokes ‘the people’ is one where the people are nowhere near the levers of power. They are simply there to serve the machine.

Today, Xi’s government has a surveillance state that makes George Orwell’s 1984 look tame.

So be warned. It is now common for foreigners arriving at a Chinese airport to have their phone taken away for 15 minutes while personal information and contacts are copied and a secret surveillance app installed.

With an economy that will soon be the biggest on the planet, the Chinese can afford to buy the silence of those who find the regime distasteful. Abroad, they are allowed to behave like a 19th Century colonial power, stripping poor countries of natural resources and securing oppressive political influence, often for very little in return.

With the help of countries it has bought off, Beijing has managed to get itself appointed to the UN consultative group to select experts to investigate human rights abuses.

What a sick joke. This is the country that shoots its own people if they dare to demonstrate, and then sends a bill for the bullets used to kill them to their surviving relatives.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gues-hit-against-China-contempt-way-life.html
 
China is at war with the world. It wants to dominate it.

Gordon Chang On China: What We Must Do, & What We Must Not Do

First of all, China is not, as many people will tell you, just a competitor. It is an enemy. China is trying to overthrow the international system, and in that process, it is trying to make you subject to modern-day Chinese emperors.

That means there is only one inescapable conclusion. This conclusion is that China maliciously spread this virus around the world, sickening people, killing others.

This is the first time in history that one nation has attacked all the others.

That is not all. After admitting the human-to-human contagiousness of this disease, Beijing then downplayed it.

China's actions had consequences. Beijing lulled public health officials around the world, including those in the United States, into not taking actions that they otherwise would have adopted.

We must impose costs on China. We must impose costs because, first of all, what China did was a crime against all of humanity. We must also impose costs because we need to deter China. This is not going to be the last pathogen generated on Chinese soil. We got to make sure the Chinese leaders do not believe that they can maliciously spread another disease.

The truth is that the United States is defending more than just its position in the international system. We are defending the international system itself, the system of treaties, conventions, rules, and norms.


(A fairly long article but well worth a read.)
 
dutchie said:
China is at war with the world. It wants to dominate it.

Gordon Chang On China: What We Must Do, & What We Must Not Do

First of all, China is not, as many people will tell you, just a competitor. It is an enemy. China is trying to overthrow the international system, and in that process, it is trying to make you subject to modern-day Chinese emperors.

That means there is only one inescapable conclusion. This conclusion is that China maliciously spread this virus around the world, sickening people, killing others.

This is the first time in history that one nation has attacked all the others.

That is not all. After admitting the human-to-human contagiousness of this disease, Beijing then downplayed it.

China's actions had consequences. Beijing lulled public health officials around the world, including those in the United States, into not taking actions that they otherwise would have adopted.

We must impose costs on China. We must impose costs because, first of all, what China did was a crime against all of humanity. We must also impose costs because we need to deter China. This is not going to be the last pathogen generated on Chinese soil. We got to make sure the Chinese leaders do not believe that they can maliciously spread another disease.

The truth is that the United States is defending more than just its position in the international system. We are defending the international system itself, the system of treaties, conventions, rules, and norms.


(A fairly long article but well worth a read.)
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Who is Gordon Chang?
 
dutchie said:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/biography/Gordon+G.+Chang
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Had a quick look ...looks like solidly anti-Chinese.
Without looking I thought it was Gordon Chan,bastard son of the Taipan, in James Clavell's novel of the same name.However, he would have been dead for well over 100 years.I recommend that book to you .
It is about the founding of Hong Kong and goes into a lot of old Chinese beliefs and customs.One that I remember was the Chinese spat in the streets,and as they said, much better than carrying it around in their pockets like the Europeans.
 
chiff said:
Had a quick look ...looks like solidly anti-Chinese.
Without looking I thought it was Gordon Chan,bastard son of the Taipan, in James Clavell's novel of the same name.However, he would have been dead for well over 100 years.I recommend that book to you .
It is about the founding of Hong Kong and goes into a lot of old Chinese beliefs and customs.One that I remember was the Chinese spat in the streets,and as they said, much better than carrying it around in their pockets like the Europeans.
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Excellent book, excellent writer (similar to James A Michener)
 
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