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I think the Hindu/Muslim conflicts were more cultural and ethnic based rather than religious. It's difficult to see the difference sometimes, even in todays Islamic fundamentalst war v the West. Is it religion v religion, or culture v culture. I hesitate to say the later. Up for argument I suppose.dude if you want to know something just go google it. the upshot is muslims entered indias north and conquered and killed lots of people to set up their little empire. that is religious conflict.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=muslim+hindu+conflict+history&meta=
dyor, but failing that, just blame whitey. its much easier that way.
google can find you anything you want... fact or fiction
you only have to look at the websites google brings up when you try and research the israel palestine conflict... each one contradicted the other.
having studied Indian history, i find these claims are recent, and coincide with the rise of hindu fundamentalism and the rise to power of hindu nationalist parties in the late 90's.
but countries getting invaded by another were common place till not so long ago... find it strange that this is being regurgitated as the start of the 'hindu-muslim' conflict!
I am not sure if the old saying of 'History is written by the winner' rings true anymore... more like history is recorded by those who can get their website to the No 1 spot on Google!
Hey BobbyHelllo Wayne, I do wish you well .
Ive always admired your intellect, why post a reply to the inconsequentials ?
Bobby.
A history of religious conflict.
The impossibility of disproving the existence of God - something that has become a 'get out of jail free' argument for the inviolability of religion.
Morality, where it becomes extra-religious; many moral changes and definition (e.g. women's rights, black civil rights) have occured sometimes against the resistance of the religious community.
The fact that in some countries religion remains an excuse for the subjugation of women's rights.
The fact that by forcing religious belief on our children we are denying them intellectual freedom.
Denial of evolution which is an impediment to intellectual progress.
Science fulfilling the same psychological needs as religion.
pawn to king four man - your move ...
Here's something to make you shake in your boots:
...'the current president of the United States unblushingly reveals that God talks directly to him and uses his Christian name."
Signs and symptoms
A person experiencing schizophrenia may demonstrate a variety of symptoms; these may include disorganized thinking, delusions and hallucinations, in particular auditory hallucinations
Missionaries are lousy listeners...Some Indigenous Australians share the religious beliefs and values of religions introduced into Australia from other cultures around the world, particularly Europe. But for most people religious beliefs are derived from a sense of belonging-to the land, to the sea, to other people, to one's culture.
The form and expression of spirituality differs between Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders. Aboriginal spirituality mainly derives from the stories of the Dreaming, while Torres Strait Islander spirituality draws upon the stories of the Tagai.
Missionaries were (often) instruments of Govt policy....(stolen generation etc)So the sad thing about it all was the missionaries didn't realise that we already had something that tied in with what they'd brought to us. They saw different as inferior, and they didn't ask us what it was that we had. And it's very sad because if they had asked... things may have been different today.
Our people, before the white man came were very spiritual people. They were connected to land and creation through the great spirit, there was a good great and a great evil spirit... And Satan was the great evil one. So there wasn't much difference in what the missionaries brought and what we already had... .
Wadjularbinna Doomadgee,
Gungalidda Leader,
Gulf of Carpentaria, 1996.
Since the European colonisation of Australia, Indigenous Australians have had contact with missionaries and their missions. This relationship has been a difficult one. In some instances missions became instruments of government policy, engaging in practices such as forcibly separating Aboriginal children from their families in order to maximise control over the child's education into Christian ways and beliefs. In this way, (some) missions contributed to the suppression of Aboriginal cultural practices and languages.
What is the Dreaming?
... The Dreaming has different meanings for different Aboriginal people. It is a complex network of knowledge, faith and practices that derive from stories of creation, and which dominates all spiritual and physical aspects of Aboriginal life. The Dreaming sets out the structures of society, the rules for social behaviour and the ceremonies performed in order to maintain the life of the land.
It governed the way people lived and how they should behave.
Those who did not follow the rules were punished.
The Dreamtime or Dreaming is often used to describe the time when the earth and humans and animals were created. The Dreaming is also used by individuals to refer to their own dreaming or their community's dreaming.
During the Dreaming, ancestral spirits came to earth and created the landforms, the animals and plants. The stories tell how the ancestral spirits moved through the land creating rivers, lakes and mountains. Today we know the places where the ancestral spirits have been and where they came to rest. There are explanations of how people came to Australia and the links between the groups throughout Australia. There are explanations about how people learnt languages and dance and how they came to know about fire.
In essence, the Dreaming comes from the land. In Aboriginal society people did not own the land it was part of them and it was part of their duty to respect and look after mother earth.
The Dreaming did not end with the arrival of Europeans but simply entered a new phase. It is a powerful living force that must be maintained and cared for.
The Rainbow Serpent is represented as a large, snake-like creature, whose Dreaming track is always associated with watercourses, such as billabongs, rivers, creeks and lagoons. It is the protector of the land, its people, and the source of all life. However, the Rainbow Serpent can also be a destructive force if it is not properly respected.
The Rainbow Serpent is a consistent theme in Aboriginal painting and has been found in rock art up to 6000 years old. The Rainbow Serpent is a powerful symbol of the creative and destructive power of nature. Most paintings of Rainbow Serpents tell the story of the creation of the landscape particular to an artist's birthplace. Some aspects of Rainbow Serpent stories are restricted to initiated persons but generally, the image had been very public. Today, most artists add personal clan designs to the bodies of Rainbow Serpents, symbolising links between the artist and the land.
The Mimi Spirits
The Mimi are tall, thin beings that live in the rocky escarpment of northern Australia as spirits. Before the coming of Aboriginal people they had human forms. The Mimi are generally harmless but on occasions can be mischievous.
When Aboriginal people first came to northern Australia, the Mimi taught them how to hunt and cook kangaroos and other animals. They also did the first rock paintings and taught Aboriginal people how to paint.
Let's face it,The Tagai
The people throughout the Torres Strait are united by their connection to the Tagai. ..These stories focus on the stars and identify Torres Strait Islanders as sea people who share a common way of life. The instructions of the Tagai provide order in the world, ensuring that everything has a place.
One Tagai story depicts the Tagai as a man standing in a canoe. In his left hand, he holds a fishing spear, representing the Southern Cross. In his right hand, he holds a sorbi (a red fruit). In this story, the Tagai and his crew of 12 are preparing for a journey. But before the journey begins, the crew consume all the food and drink they planned to take. So the Tagai strung the crew together in two groups of six and cast them into the sea, where their images became star patterns in the sky. These patterns can be seen in the star constellations of Pleiades and Orion
lol, sorry mousie, I'll resist temptation. Must admit I thought I knew a bit about chess until I went to see Korchnoi play 40 matches simultaneously once. Average time per move about 10 seconds lol. Just kept walking around the room, bang, bang bang went the chess piecesPawn to king four? Pawn to queen bishop four thenSorry can't resist;
First World Championship match against Karpov
In the next world championship cycle (1976-78), Korchnoi narrowly defeated Petrosian again in the Candidates quarter finals, then comfortably won his matches against Lev Polugaevsky and Boris Spassky to emerge as the official challenger to Karpov.[4]
The World Championship match of 1978 was held in Baguio in the Philippines, and deserves its reputation as the most bizarre World Championship match ever played. Karpov's team included a Dr. Zukhar (a well known hypnotist), while Korchnoi adopted two local renegades currently on bail for attempted murder (Source: Karpov -- Korchnoi 1978, by Raymond Keene). There was more controversy off the board, with histrionics ranging from X-raying of chairs, protests about the flags used on the board, the inevitable hypnotism complaints and the mirror glasses used by Korchnoi. When Karpov's team sent him a blueberry yogurt during a game without any request for one by Karpov, the Korchnoi team protested, claiming it could be some kind of code. They later said this was intended as a parody of earlier protests, but it was taken seriously at the time.[5]
In quality of play the match itself never measured up to the press headlines that it generated, although as a sporting contest it had its share of excitement. The match would go to the first player to win six games, draws not counting. After 17 games, Karpov had an imposing 4-1 lead. Korchnoi won game 21, but Karpov won game 27, putting him on the brink of victory with a 5-2 lead. Korchnoi bravely fought back, scoring three wins and one draw in the next four games, to equalise the match at 5-5 after 31 games. However, Karpov won the very next game, and the match, by 6-5 with 21 draws.[6]
I'd say with Kevin Rudd being a born again christian that there's a pretty good chance he speaks to Kevin too.
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