Is Shorten PM material?

noco · 17 February 2014

With Bill Shorten it is a case of monkey see, monkey do........He is following too much in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd foot steps instead of looking for a new direction.

We all know Labor has left the Coalition with a terrible financial mess....we all all know factories are closing their doors because of increased costs and competition....we all know unemployment is rising.

So Bill instead of criticizing Abbott for what is happeneing now due to Labor's errors, why don't you come up with Labor's plan to fix things. If you don't, you cannot claim to be an alternative government.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/whats-your-alternative/story-e6frg6z6-1226828672477

rumpole · 17 February 2014

noco said:
With Bill Shorten it is a case of monkey see, monkey do........He is following too much in the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd foot steps instead of looking for a new direction.

We all know Labor has left the Coalition with a terrible financial mess....we all all know factories are closing their doors because of increased costs and competition....we all know unemployment is rising.

So Bill instead of criticizing Abbott for what is happeneing now due to Labor's errors, why don't you come up with Labor's plan to fix things. If you don't, you cannot claim to be an alternative government.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/whats-your-alternative/story-e6frg6z6-1226828672477

I think Labor will keep low for a while until they can distance themselves from Rudd/Gillard, lay the blame more solidly on Abbott and then come up with a policy that at least looks different to the LNP. There is no point shooting their mouths off for at least 6 months, the unemployment rate is sure to seriously worsen this year.

noco · 17 February 2014

rumpole said:
I think Labor will keep low for a while until they can distance themselves from Rudd/Gillard, lay the blame more solidly on Abbott and then come up with a policy that at least looks different to the LNP. There is no point shooting their mouths off for at least 6 months, the unemployment rate is sure to seriously worsen this year.

Well, according to the Neilsen Poll over the weekend, Shorten and Labor are becoming lower than a rattle snakes belly....their percentage has dropped dramatically and close to the Gillard days of utter chaos.......It is all very well to sit back and say to Abbott, factories are closing.....unemployment is rising......what is your plan to save jobs.....and as Joe Hockey tried to explain to those idiots who sit opposite, "how can you turn the economy around on a two bob bit" unquote.

Voters are looking at a tired opposition already...they have no idea how to handle the economy....they never have and never will...they have gone to sleep at the wheel and are heading for the nearest lamp post.....if thay had any sense they should be coming up with some alternative ideas...that is what oppositions nornally do.

Julia · 17 February 2014

This poll is running under an article by Mark Kenny on the latest Neilsen results.
It's quite a good result for the government.

Poll: Do you approve of the way the Abbott government has dealt with SPC, Toyota and the royal commission into union corruption?

Yes. I completely agree with the government's approach: 53%

Partially. They've done some things right: 12%

No. They've completely missed the mark: 35%

rumpole · 17 February 2014

noco said:
....if thay had any sense they should be coming up with some alternative ideas...that is what oppositions nornally do.

Sure, but you'll find that they usually come out with the ideas around election time so the other mob doesn't hijack them. Give them about 3 years.

noco · 19 February 2014

There is no doubt Shorten knows plenty about Gillards activities......Bob KERNOHAN has ratted on him.

And this bloke wants to be Prime Minister????????????

Subject: " Shorten sweet"
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:05:04 +1000

Subject: “Shorten sweet"

Media Statement from Bob Kernohan, former AWU President, Victoria Branch; following the
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ANNOUNCEMENT OF A ROYAL COMMISSION INTO UNION CORRUPTION…

“I congratulate PM ABBOTT on the announcement of a Royal Commission into corruption in trade unions. I am perplexed however at Bill Shorten’s opposition to theRoyal Commission and his claim that a police taskforce should investigate corruption in unions. Bill Shorten knows a lot of the detail about Julia Gillard and Bruce Wilson’s corrupt activities involving the AWU because he was there at the time it happened; so was I! Bill Shorten has now had 18 years to go to the police if he was serious about helping police investigate corruption and he hasn’t lifted a finger. So Bill, I can only think that you oppose a Royal Commission because you’re afraid of what it will report.
I recruited Bill Shorten into the AWU in 1992. Bill was my campaign manager in AWU union elections for the leadership of the Victorian Branch. My opponent was Bruce Wilson, whose de facto Julia Gillard was a partner at the AWU’s law firm Slater and Gordon. My bitter campaign against Wilson was focused on serious financial irregularities in the union books. In 1996 the AWU General Secretary, Ian Cambridge, called for a royal commission into the AWU. I supported Ian Cambridge at that time.
Bill Shorten knew at least as much as I knew about the frauds - we discussed it at the time, but since then I’ve seen no positive actions at all from Bill to bring offenders to justice… in fact Bill's done just the opposite
Bill Shorten urged me to participate in the cover up - "think of your career, Bob” he said. I know that Bill Shorten has not assisted either the Victoria Police or the WA Police to bring offenders to justice. He did nothing as State Secretary in Victoria or as AWU National secretary in 2001 thru 2007. He never called in the police to investigate. Bill Shorten chose to cover the fraud up; and to add insult to injury, he was a key player in installing Julia Gillard into the Lodge!
A Royal Commission where persons of interest are compelled to give sworn evidence is the only way that corruption in unions will ever be fully exposed and people made to be accountable for their criminal actions.
I can be reached on 0438901594 and I am happy to talk on the record.”

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noco · 19 February 2014

As Janet Albrechtsen states....."THE HILL BILLIES ARE BACK IN TOWN."

So long as Shorten continues to aligns himself witH the GREENS and suck up to the unions, his position will eventually become untenable.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-to-fit-the-bill/story-e6frg7bo-1226830889674

rumpole · 19 February 2014

noco said:
As Janet Albrechtsen states....."THE HILL BILLIES ARE BACK IN TOWN."

Janet Albrechtsen would say that

noco · 19 February 2014

rumpole said:
Janet Albrechtsen would say that

And so say all of us.

noco · 20 February 2014

Niki Savva sums up Bill Shorten very well.......He is weak and succumbs to the trade unions and the Greens too easlily.

I particularly like the comment by Jeff.......It confirms what I have been saying for years when the trade unions were dominated by communist militant trade unions and their policy then, was to ruin the ecomomy of Australia. Gillard and Rudd almost did the same.

Jeff 5ptsFeatured
36 minutes agoThe ACTU franchises have demolished this country in their attempt to run with world wide socialism. It began really in the late 60s and 70s when tariffs were dropped and we were told it would be good for us. Well may be it is so and yes we should as a nation be able to compete with the world but no-one told the ACTU that their workers also had to compete and produce less costs = less pay and less special conditions. The ACTU have been the major source of Labor politicians and the dysfunctional liars and belligerent power brokers became the ruling party. It's time to clean them all out for the next 50 years.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...tface-to-survive/story-fnahw9xv-1226831965646

rumpole · 20 February 2014

noco said:
Niki Savva sums up Bill Shorten very well.......He is weak and succumbs to the trade unions and the Greens too easlily.

The influence of the unions in the ALP is too high, just as the influence of big business in the Liberal party is too high. Neither of them can claim to represent mainstream Australia, the ordinary mums and dads. Same for the Greens.

Unfortunately we are stuck with all of the parties. The only people who can claim to represent their electorates are those who actually have to fight for their seats at a personal level; the Independents.

Clive Palmer is not an Independent as he is now a Party.

noco · 22 February 2014

rumpole said:
The influence of the unions in the ALP is too high, just as the influence of big business in the Liberal party is too high. Neither of them can claim to represent mainstream Australia, the ordinary mums and dads. Same for the Greens.

Unfortunately we are stuck with all of the parties. The only people who can claim to represent their electorates are those who actually have to fight for their seats at a personal level; the Independents.

Clive Palmer is not an Independent as he is now a Party.

So lets support communism and the other two parties won't be allowed exist....problem solved.....No democracy....no freedom of speech.....no greedy corrupt unions and business....lower wages....no more penalty rates....do as you are told or else......speak out against the Government and go directly to jail and don't collect any money on the way.

Yeah...the way to go.

rumpole · 22 February 2014

noco said:
So lets support communism and the other two parties won't be allowed exist....problem solved.....No democracy....no freedom of speech.....no greedy corrupt unions and business....lower wages....no more penalty rates....do as you are told or else......speak out against the Government and go directly to jail and don't collect any money on the way.

Yeah...the way to go.

Taken your medications this morning ?

What a load of gibberish.

noco · 22 February 2014

Bill Shorten is leading himself and his Party down the path of self destruction and does not seem to have learnt any lessons.

His popularity, together with his Party are going down on a slippery slide and at the rate he is going will meet Gillard's popularity at the bottom.

He appears to have adopted the strong stand that he will gain popularity by knocking the Abbott Governement at every opportunity. Blame the Government for the loss of jobs....blame the Governemnt for not giving hand outs to unviable business......trying hard to stop the Royal commission into corrupt unions.

His actions are speaking loud and clear among voters and that is they don't like what he is doing.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opi...-it-down-the-pub/story-e6frg75f-1226834168184

noco · 22 February 2014

rumpole said:
Taken your medications this morning ?

What a load of gibberish.

Rumpole....I am being facetious......I am in a mischievious mood just to get you going for the day.

I thought I might go fishing this morning and I did......I just caught a flat head with a dead prawn.

rumpole · 22 February 2014

noco said:
Rumpole....I am being facetious......I am in a mischievious mood just to get you going for the day.

I thought I might go fishing this morning and I did......I just caught a flat head with a dead prawn.

Good oh then

Have a nice day

noco · 22 February 2014

rumpole said:
The influence of the unions in the ALP is too high, just as the influence of big business in the Liberal party is too high. Neither of them can claim to represent mainstream Australia, the ordinary mums and dads. Same for the Greens.

The influence of big business in the Liberal Party??????????????

Funny you know I have been hearing and reading a lot about big busiiness not getting anymore hand outs from the Abbott Government....Only Labor gives hand outs to big busness......Ford...Holden....Toyota....SPC....So I guess that sort of knocks your argument for "SIX".

Garpal Gumnut · 22 February 2014

noco said:
Rumpole....I am being facetious......I am in a mischievious mood just to get you going for the day.

I thought I might go fishing this morning and I did......I just caught a flat head with a dead prawn.

The fishing analogy is moot, noco.

Bill Shorten is like an ole flathead with much burley and bait in the water, awaiting to be hooked and landed.

He had much promise, but his present poor performance, and future problems, make me think he is for the eskie.

Eskie Bill, I would call him.

gg

rumpole · 22 February 2014

noco said:
The influence of big business in the Liberal Party??????????????

Funny you know I have been hearing and reading a lot about big busiiness not getting anymore hand outs from the Abbott Government....Only Labor gives hand outs to big busness......Ford...Holden....Toyota....SPC....So I guess that sort of knocks your argument for "SIX".

Maybe Ford, Holden , Toyota and SPC didn't give enough

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...porate-donations/story-e6freoof-1226567078508

noco · 22 February 2014

rumpole said:
Maybe Ford, Holden , Toyota and SPC didn't give enough

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...porate-donations/story-e6freoof-1226567078508

Well from that staement, one would decipher that those companies gave Labor plenty of subscriptions in return for hand outs.....Hmmmmmmm!!!! ....What do you think?

Is Shorten PM material?