Value Collector
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I believe that there hasn't been a big take up for combat jobs by women though.
So to say a woman can drive a truck in a combat zone, but couldn't work on an artillery battery because its a "combat role" seems silly.
It depends on the definition of "combat" doesn't it ?
In areas where physical strength is important (if it still is considering the technology around now) then a strong man is always going to beat a strong woman, but I doubt if there is much opportunity for hand to hand fighting these days.
Saying you will exclude 100% of the women seems crazy
I don't think anyone ever said we should be excluding 100% of women, just that they should be fit for the role and not have the standards inappropriately lowered to suit the "equality" megaphone crusaders.
Obviously the rules of war need to be changed, so that women can have equity and opportunity to kill the same number of people as a male counterpart. I just makes sense that killing shouldn't be just a man sport.
Interesting point. There is a psychological side to killing as well. I wonder if there have been many studies into whether its harder mentally for a woman to kill someone than a man. Given that soldiers hardly ever see the people they are killing these days, I wonder if any psychological difference matters anyway.
More silly snowfakes (typo intended) dictating to our children.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-03/should-golliwog-dolls-exist-in-australia-in-2018/9391188
If so, raggedy anne dolls are equally offensiveMore silly snowfakes (typo intended) dictating to our children.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-03/should-golliwog-dolls-exist-in-australia-in-2018/9391188
In 2013, the US military lifted its ban on women serving in combat. Shortly after, the Marine Corps began what it calls an “unprecedented research effort” to understand the impact of gender integration on its combat forces. That took the form of a year-long experiment called the Ground Combat Element Integrated Task Force, in which 400 Marines—100 of them female—trained for combat together and then undertook a simulated deployment, with every facet of their experience measured and scrutinized.
All branches of the military are facing a January 1, 2016, deadline to open all combat roles to women. The Marine Corps is using this experiment to decide whether to request exceptions to that mandate. The Corps’ summary of the experiment, posted online today by NPR, concludes that combat teams were less effective when they included women.
Overall, the report says, all-male teams and crews outperformed mixed-gender ones on 93 out of 134 tasks evaluated. All-male teams were universally faster “in each tactical movement.” On “lethality,” the report says:
All-male 0311 (rifleman) infantry squads had better accuracy compared to gender-integrated squads. There was a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system (i.e. M4, M27, and M203) within the 0311 squads, except for the probability of hit & near miss with the M4.
And:
All-male infantry crew-served weapons teams engaged targets quicker and registered more hits on target as compared to gender-integrated infantry crew-served weapons teams, with the exception of M2 accuracy.
And:
All-male squads, teams and crews and gender-integrated squads, teams, and crews had a noticeable difference in their performance of the basic combat tasks of negotiating obstacles and evacuating casualties. For example, when negotiating the wall obstacle, male Marines threw their packs to the top of the wall, whereas female Marines required regular assistance in getting their packs to the top. During casualty evacuation assessments, there were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups, except in the case where teams conducted a casualty evacuation as a one-Marine fireman’s carry of another (in which case it was most often a male Marine who “evacuated” the casualty)
The report also says that female Marines had higher rates of injury throughout the experiment.
Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.
The Marine Corps summary report does not indicate or suggest that the Marines will be asking for an exception to the military’s integration mandate. However, it does quote this somber section of a 1992 government study on gender integration in the armed forces:
A military unit at maximum combat effectiveness is a military unit least likely to suffer casualties. Winning in war is often only a matter of inches, and unnecessary distraction or any dilution of the combat effectiveness puts the mission and lives in jeopardy. Risking the lives of a military unit in combat to provide career opportunities or accommodate the personal desires or interests of an individual, or group of individuals, is more than bad military judgment. It is morally wrong.
The "unprecedented research effort" comes down to something like this:
If your enemy does it - you do it better. Women in combat won't be decided by the PC warriors. It'll be decided by who has man-flu and who hasn't
If so, raggedy anne dolls are equally offensive
Been tested already apparently.
would have thought that trying to compare the combat effectiveness of men vs women would be more useful if both groups had roughly identical training. How reasonable was it to expect women from non combat jobs or infantry school to have the same level of skills as men who had served in combat ?
They applied the same as other male applicants there was a mix of levels throughout. The women were the best on offer and were already physically fit. Mixed groups were proven to be less effective, end of story. A lot of men were also canned. And after that the bet is a lot of the women and men will drop from injury.Interesting report. Did anyone else notice the caveat that was highlighted?
Such conclusions may be disheartening to proponents of gender integration in combat, and certainly put a damper on the news that the Army’s ranger school recently graduated its first female soldiers. The tests come with at least one important caveat: As the Marine Corps Times notes, many of of the male study participants had previously served in combat units, whereas female participants, by necessity, came directly from infantry schools or from noncombat jobs.
I would have thought that trying to compare the combat effectiveness of men vs women would be more useful if both groups had roughly identical training. How reasonable was it to expect women from non combat jobs or infantry school to have the same level of skills as men who had served in combat ?
They applied the same as other male applicants there was a mix of levels throughout. The women were the best on offer and were already physically fit. Mixed groups were proven to be less effective, end of story. A lot of men were also canned. And after that the bet is a lot of the women and men will drop from injury.
Women's hips were always the problem when carrying loads. Having women on the team means other troops then have to do/carry more.
Just doing it because #WomenPower, is stupid. Putting grunts lives at risk for equality...... Dumb.
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