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Is political correctness going too far?

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SirRumpole said:
There is probably not much point discussing the merits of various civilisations as they all have their good and bad points, but democracy (imperfect as it is) arose in the "West" and that is the best form of civilisation I can think of unless you have any other suggestions ?
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Democracy is a north-west European thing (thanks to the Reformation), not a "western" ideal. The rest of Europe joined the party very late – we only need to go back a few decades to see most of "Judeo-Christian" Europe under a very different form of government, and I don't just mean Eastern Europe. How long has democracy existed for anyone who wasn't a landowning, white male in the West? One hundred years or so.
 
noco said:
It is not a matter whether we can afford it or not, it is a matter of competition with other countries like the USA going down to 15% and the UK and Singapore below 20%......You won't encourage investment into Australia with higher tax rates.....Even Chris Bowen, Bill Shorten and Andrew Leigh all agree...Investment means more progress, more projects and less unemployment...More jobs.
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A race to the bottom might not be the best route to take.

These kind of trickling down economics have been tried before. It hasn't work out anywhere.

Giving away our money to multinationals isn't a smart way of making ourselves richer, right? I mean, multinationals can spend it however, wherever they want. What make us think they'll spend it back here? What stops them from going to another country and pull the same "competitive" crap?
 
Agree, Rumpole.

imv, and Tisme brought it up a while back, it is about trying to break down our laws.
Bill Leak was trying to speak through his cartoons, but he was quickly silenced by the government.

Luutzu, the government is not our parents.
I feel for all those in Qld and NSW in the floods, and I hope they are all OK.
I also hope they are insured, and that people take responsibility.

I also don't appreciate the government going around telling children that parents aren't important, and putting lawyers and doctors, as I was told, in public schools as it is happening in Vic.
I also don't appreciate their attack on families.

I have said this before, that I am disgusted the way they are talking about our forefathers, people that went to war.
Men would tip their hats to women, stand up and let a woman sit.
My family was brought up like that.
How do they see that as violent?

imv, it is not a true indication of history, and what is being told to our children.
 
luutzu said:
A race to the bottom might not be the best route to take.

These kind of trickling down economics have been tried before. It hasn't work out anywhere.

Giving away our money to multinationals isn't a smart way of making ourselves richer, right? I mean, multinationals can spend it however, wherever they want. What make us think they'll spend it back here? What stops them from going to another country and pull the same "competitive" crap?
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There is no shortage of people wanting to park their money in Australia, but we don't have anything left to give them a ROI. The future fund, QIC, etc can't find anything to invest in here either because we are ostensibly still a colonial style economy with private enterprise dependent on govt expenditure and pensions by any other name... even basic services like power plants can't sustain themselves in the absence of large scale industry to provide economies of scale.
 
Tisme said:
There is no shortage of people wanting to park their money in Australia, but we don't have anything left to give them a ROI. The future fund, QIC, etc can't find anything to invest in here either because we are ostensibly still a colonial style economy with private enterprise dependent on govt expenditure and pensions by any other name... even basic services like power plants can't sustain themselves in the absence of large scale industry to provide economies of scale.
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Sounds like we need to invest in our own infrastructure and other nation-building projects and industry.

That should create jobs, make some noise towards that innovation boom, and the country ends up with a few white elephants to look at.

Beats giving tax breaks and other welfare payment to entice multinationals.
 
Tink said:
Agree, Rumpole.

imv, and Tisme brought it up a while back, it is about trying to break down our laws.
Bill Leak was trying to speak through his cartoons, but he was quickly silenced by the government.

Luutzu, the government is not our parents.
I feel for all those in Qld and NSW in the floods, and I hope they are all OK.
I also hope they are insured, and that people take responsibility.

I also don't appreciate the government going around telling children that parents aren't important, and putting lawyers and doctors, as I was told, in public schools as it is happening in Vic.
I also don't appreciate their attack on families.

I have said this before, that I am disgusted the way they are talking about our forefathers, people that went to war.
Men would tip their hats to women, stand up and let a woman sit.
My family was brought up like that.
How do they see that as violent?

imv, it is not a true indication of history, and what is being told to our children.
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The gov't is supposed to be our Big Brother. Well, they're supposed to be working for us, seeing how we're a democracy and stuff, but I'd settled for Big Brother who's supposed to do more than perving on me. :D

The gov't would never attack our (yours?) forefathers. Not in the way you think they do. They only attack the forefathers who's poor, broke and need welfare... in that sense, they also attack the kids, the widows and orphans, both Muslims and White.

In terms of attacking the pioneering, genocidal forefathers, those you have to blame the hippies. And hippies don't work for The Man.

Seriously though, a country cannot grow and be more civilised if it just swept all its crimes under the rug as though it didn't happen. That's not to say the current generation is to blame and things, just that it did happen, let's try to recognise why it happened and prevent it. Maybe that kind of understanding give us insight into the consequences that's still around.

That or we can be Tony Abbott, camp out with the Aborigines to get to know them, then shrugs off any understanding as to why a few cents going towards helping them shouldn't be cut. I mean, it's not Tony's fault people "decided" to live on the fringes in the outback and such places.

Going to war is not a good thing. We ought to only go when it's necessary to defend our country. So going off to the Middle East with the British to take Troy from the barbarians; or into Iraq and all over the ME, again, to not take oil from the barbarians... that's some serious stuff we ought to think real hard on.

I mean, idiot politicians sitting safely at their desk ordering other people's kids to war for empire and exercise and manhood (I'm not making that up, they actually think that)... it's not something we should permit or be proud of.

A medal and a title won't cut it for the parents, family and friends of our dead troops.
 
luutzu said:
I mean, idiot politicians sitting safely at their desk ordering other people's kids to war for empire and exercise and manhood (I'm not making that up, they actually think that)... it's not something we should permit or be proud of.
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The manhood stuff may have applied a hundred years ago but it's much less likely now that we don't have conscription and therefore no cheap cannon fodder to send elsewhere to fight someone else's battles.

Politicians have to think two or three times before committing expensive equipment and highly trained soldiers to a conflict.

That doesn't mean they always get it right. The only reason we have followed the US into wars is an expectation that they will help us if we need it in return for our 'service' to them.

That type of decision making is usually described as 'in our national interest'.
 
SirRumpole said:
The manhood stuff may have applied a hundred years ago but it's much less likely now that we don't have conscription and therefore no cheap cannon fodder to send elsewhere to fight someone else's battles.

Politicians have to think two or three times before committing expensive equipment and highly trained soldiers to a conflict.

That doesn't mean they always get it right. The only reason we have followed the US into wars is an expectation that they will help us if we need it in return for our 'service' to them.

That type of decision making is usually described as 'in our national interest'.
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I think you're right there that that's the thinking of our politicians. Not sure it make much sense though.

For one, say Australia doesn't want to buy American jets and US-friendly submarines. Doesn't go to its wars. Would that mean the US won't "protect" us if some yellow peril knock at our gates?

The US, like any other country, would only intervene if at that moment it serves their interests to do so. History and what we've done for them... As Janet Jackson sang, it's what have you done for me lately, right?

So even if we don't buy their hardware or fight with them on their many adventures, it still serve their national and global hegemonic design to step in when/if we're being pushed around anyway.

Why?

We're brothers. hehe

Any country that takes over Australia will necessarily take over the entire Asia-Pacific region. That will literally divide the world in half. i.e. US air and marine fleet will have a harder time crossing these oceans.

That and look at all of our natural resources. They could fuel and feed a China for a couple hundred years and then some. So the US would be nuts to not come to "our aid".

But of course they know that. Our politicians don't want to risk that seeing what happened to Whitlam when he start questioning things like CIA operatives in Australia, the need for US military bases. That, according to the US, put "Australia's national interest" at risk and so Whitlam have to go.

Howard, and all except maybe Rudd, learnt and so bend over real hard to stay in office and not have some party rebellion pushing them out of a cushy job as leader.
 
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sptrawler said:
I guess this is the result of political correctness, no one makes a decision, then who is to blame when it goes pear shaped.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/lindt-caf...d-dangerous-psychiatrist-20170529-gwfssu.html

Sad really. Police can't make a decision, because the psyc says no, military don't want to know.
What chance do we have?
Big group hug I guess, we obviously are a bunch of lost souls.
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I thought psychiatrists were behaviour modifying chemical engineers...not diagnostic social engineers?
 
It is all stupidity at its best introduced by a few mentally deranged people.
 
SirRumpole said:
Posted on another thread, but I think it deserves to go into a thread dealing with PC looniness in general.

FFS, the nanny State is well and truly alive, and it's not all to do with welfare.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-...es-to-ban-references-to-australia-day/8810286
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There is a determined effort to wreck every vestige of Australian tradition. I think we are in for a rapid ride into losing any identity we may have had and will become just another beige, ordered society.

The USA is looking more appealing to me as each day goes by.
 
Yarra council, which covers suburbs including Richmond, Collingwood and Fitzroy, is made up of four Greens councillors, two from Labor, two independents and a member of the Socialist Alliance.
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That says it all.
The whole of Vic and SA is a write off and should be fenced off from the rest of Australia.
 
SirRumpole said:
Posted on another thread, but I think it deserves to go into a thread dealing with PC looniness in general.

FFS, the nanny State is well and truly alive, and it's not all to do with welfare.
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She lied at the end when she said "we're doing what we can to represent our community views". At the start she said they street surveyed and interviewed 300 people. Oh I don't think this decision s going to be very popular.
 
Wysiwyg said:
She lied at the end when she said "we're doing what we can to represent our community views". At the start she said they street surveyed and interviewed 300 people. Oh I don't think this decision s going to be very popular.
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The whole council interference thing is absurd. The date of Australia Day is a national decision, not for one tinpot council.

They should stick to maintaining the roads and services and leave such things to the Federal level.
 
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