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And down goes the second of your two recent commitments!Please note that I made no such commitment.
I will pull apart what you state as I see fit.
There is a difference between meaningfulling addressing valid points and showing that what you have written makes no sense.
You cannot or do not substantiate what you claim - same outcome.And down goes the second of your two recent commitments!
(Has anyone noticed that some people's opinions of themselves, are eerily reminiscent, of the opinions once held of the Titanic, just prior to her fateful maiden voyage, i.e. thought to be unsinkable and then promptly sunk?)
Now I shall throw caution to the wind and resurrect those same two recently sunk commitments, and apply them in respect to yourself.
Let's see if I can break your shortlived record, and hold off for more than 16 hours!!
Hi Sdajii, you do realize I am not promoting the agenda of GW, I am merely showing how these cult like people are pushing their agenda to vulnerable people using a psychological technique called Gaslighting. If you listen to this, start 7 minutes in for the meaty bit to begin. It is basically a nasty hypocritical style of a con.
I am simply highlighting how this GW propaganda machine works by showing some of their techniques. This is not science, this is cognitive psychology at work, although I am sure some would call it science. The science of manipulation.
These were changes over thousands of years. We are now looking at changes at decadal scales.
At century scales please review Table 2 here.
Frequency of event and rates if change of event are not the same. Moreover, even Nils Morner will tell you that significant eustatic changes in sea level can be driven by small global changes in temperature - smaller than that of the past century. His theory of redistribution of energy and mass via the ocean current system due to a feedback interchange of angular momentum explains this, but, as I said, it happens over many thousands of years.
So your claims are without merit and reflect basic misunderstandings of climate science.
And you present no evidence, despite me linking to charts which show your claim is false.No, it didn't happen over thousands of years...
Again, no evidence with time scales from you, despite me linked to evidence your claim is false.How much have the sea levels risen? Absolutely bugger all.
You repeat this claim, and never have substantiated it. Whereas I keep showing your claim is wrong....but actual climate scientists know it, they all agree with me...
Again, you offer no evidence, despite me linking to information which shows you have no credible case.In recorded history (ie less than 200 years) we've seen a tiny amount of change compared to what routinely happens naturally,...
I correspond with several who also are uploaders on Youtube, so I know that is a bald-faced lie.Literally every climate scientist will agree.
And yet you cannot show that is true.They're deliberately misrepresenting the data here...
What exactly are you talking about and where exactly is your evidence.It doesn't always happen over many thousands of years, it sometimes happens *multiple times* in time periods of *less than* many thousands of years!
Not quite the case.Reading the article, it becomes apparent, that the science is in its infancy and most historic data pre satellite is of dubious quality.
No doubt it will become an exact science, but at present it sounds far from it. IMO
I thought that was what I said, my appologies.Not quite the case.
The accuracy of data now available means that scientists will be able to clearly discern trends which previously had an error margin which made trend identification problematic.
Prior data was spatially constrained and fraught with other issues.
I was being my usual pedantic self.From my post:
Once we have a better fundamental understanding of what we’re observing in the (satellite) record, we can start projecting that into the future.”
And you present no evidence, despite me linking to charts which show your claim is false.
Again, no evidence with time scales from you, despite me linked to evidence your claim is false.
Again, you offer no evidence, despite me linking to information which shows you have no credible case.
Over the past 20,000 years or so, sea level has climbed some 400 feet (120 meters). As the climate warmed as part of a natural cycle, ice melted and glaciers retreated until ice sheets remained only at the poles and at the peaks of mountains. Early on, the sea rose rapidly, sometimes at rates greater than 10 feet (3 meters) per century, and then continued to grow in spurts of rapid sea level rise until about 7,000 years ago. Then, the climate stabilized and sea level rise slowed, holding largely steady for most of the last 2,000 years, based on records from corals and sediment cores. Now, however, sea level is on the rise again, rising faster now than it has in the past 6,000 years
I correspond with several who also are uploaders on Youtube, so I know that is a bald-faced lie.
And yet you cannot show that is true.
What exactly are you talking about and where exactly is your evidence.
How many times are you going to make claims which are not supported by science, and which you consistently say are, but never offer evidence?
I am sorry,
I have said my piece, made my case. Take it, leave it ... ignore it .. whatever. This baiting and trolling and presentation of non scientific coal industry or fossil fuel based lobby group gibberish is what it is.
I would humbly suggest to the others trying to speak to the ... well opposing view, remembering this THREAD is about whether the issue is UNSTOPPABLE ... not whether is exists, is a windup. TROLLING ...
Even that 100% of all coral on the great barrier reef, all 3,000 Reefs in 2019 show bleaching due to temperature change and some have extreme damage to the North, something I thought could not be refuted or even questioned, WAS.
I am open to discussion, views and even agree to disagree, but with evidence that 100% of the Northern Reefs in the great barrier reef have EXTREME damage caused by too hot water, and ONLY too hot water not runoff .... HOT WATER ... I got some mumbo jumbo back. I am not sure who is winding up the last two, but appreciate the efforts and lessons in how much I actually DO NOT KNOW about this topic and others who have contributed ,,,, I put the others on ignore some time ago, the two who were taking the mickey and with respect, humbly would suggest others do the same. Whilst I appreciate someone else's much superior knowledge which has been shared, to refute or show how stupid or non science based the other stuff is, as I did when it occurred, after 5 times ... I gave UP.
By giving up, putting them on ignore and not responding saves a lot of sanity. In some issues we will never agree, this thread is about an issue we agree upon, Climate change ... and whether it is stoppable. NOT about whether it exists.
If I went onto the electric cars are the future thread and called everyone a moron for driving one, I would be pathetic.
If I went onto a thread about say Oil and called everyone driving a car or using oil a moron and produced evidence which i am sure I could find, I would be pathetic.
I have already covered sea level rise, and do not dispute significant amplitudes. However, sea level change is very slow response to climate change, and can be driven by relatively small changes to temperature over long periods. We know this is true because the 0.9 degrees Celsius rise since the late 19th century has only led to a sea level increase of about 20cm. We also know change to sea levels cannot be linear or the planet would have literally fried if sea levels rose 20metres.The above shows sea levels over the last few hundred thousand years (only a very recent part of climate history, no one disputes this overall picture, note that the scale is in ***HUNDREDS OF FEET*** not a few cm)
Your sudden movements are actually very long periods of time as each millimetre represents 2 thousand years. What you have not grasped is the concept of fineness of resolution - classic fail!Note that the pattern is not a smooth one, it is jagged with sudden movements. Keep in mind that in this time scale we can not even see trivial movements such as ones you are calling significant, because they simply wouldn't even show up.
True for sea levels, and I agree. And I have already indicated why this is the case. Polar climate forcings affecting melt and thus sea levels are very different to global climate, and nowhere have you made a link. To prove this point, in the present era, Arctic climate has changed at 4 times the rate of global climate, yet the 4° Celsius Arctic temperature change has added only centimetres to the eustatic sea level.Again, literally no climate scientists disagree with this.
This is plain and simple wrong and unscientific. Unless you are talking about events which nature has locked into at millennial time scales, the present human factor can be entirely mitigated. This has been outlined time and again by scientists - just read the many IPCC Reports.If you want to just ask the question 'Is it unstoppable?", by absolutely positively all credible accounts, the answer is a very unambiguous no. The fact that literally no climate scientist argues that the temperature, rate of change, etc etc etc, even CO2 level, is unprecedented, means that no, it clearly is not unstoppable, because it has already happened before to a more extreme extent and then gone on to the cycle of extreme ice ages, more warm periods, more ice ages, etc etc.
At decadal scales, the present high GHG levels and the slow response from warmed oceans means that we cannot avoid a generation or so of ongoing warming.
What you say has happened before, and will happen again, is well known. What never happened before was a human contribution that drove climate not just beyond what nature was otherwise doing, but in the opposite direction. Were we solely at the whim of nature, then the decline of irradiance since the 1970s would have led to a cooling planet today.
This is plain and simple wrong and unscientific. Unless you are talking about events which nature has locked into at millennial time scales, the present human factor can be entirely mitigated. This has been outlined time and again by scientists - just read the many IPCC Reports.
At decadal scales, the present high GHG levels and the slow response from warmed oceans means that we cannot avoid a generation or so of ongoing warming.
What you say has happened before, and will happen again, is well known. What never happened before was a human contribution that drove climate not just beyond what nature was otherwise doing, but in the opposite direction. Were we solely at the whim of nature, then the decline of irradiance since the 1970s would have led to a cooling planet today.
Well I am very pleased you picked me up on it, thank you Sdajii. I will be more careful in future to clarify my stance, I don't wish to mislead or confuse people.Sorry, Ann. Sounds like we agree in terms of our opinion on it and I misunderstood the context in which you were presenting it.
You cannot explain why less energy reaching the planet since the 1970s has made it warmer, can you?No factor in the current situation is unprecedented.
Volcanic events take a few years to dissipate, and sometimes their affects are only localised. Impact events would tend to be cataclysmic, so worrying about climate won't be concern.in some respects, in some cases, we are indeed talking about events which took a long period of time to reverse, such as massive volcanic or celestial impact events, but even then, once the cause is removed, the system comes back to the balance.
No, it means that the trend can actually be reversed - from warming to cooling - by intervention.To say it is irreversible means it can never return to 'normal'....
You cannot explain why less energy reaching the planet since the 1970s has made it warmer, can you?
You won't accept any evidence that is contrary to what you believe.
Why are you posting what amount to blatant lies after you have been presented with the science?
Volcanic
events take a few years to dissipate, and sometimes their affects are only localised. Impact events would tend to be cataclysmic, so worrying about climate won't be concern.
No, it means that the trend can actually be reversed - from warming to cooling - by intervention.
You really have novel ways of convincing yourself that you know things.
Your claim is that all prior climate events have precedents. However, there is no precedent to this, so not only do you not understand what you are claiming is wrong, you don't even know why!Notice how this is a pure strawman argument, yet again? I literally haven't said anything this is relevant to, it doesn't contradict anything I have actually said.
In other words, when you cannot explain the science, you call them "misrepresentations."You are reading exaggerations and misrepresentations,...
None that are definionally "impact events" and none that have affected climate in the last few hundred million years. These are impact events which have effected climate.You think impact events tend to be cataclysmic? They literally happen many times every day.
There is no such thing as a "normal range" in climate.The point, which you somehow missed despite it being completely obvious, which was in direct response to the explicit question, was that after it has happened (as in, the actual examples which have already occurred), the climate returns to the normal range.
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