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inrodwetrust said:
Why not just pass the sites to the AFP & let them monitor the people who access it & punish them like the way law enforcement is meant to work.
They seem to be pretty effective capturing them so far.
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I don't know how effective the AFP is, but that's a sensible suggestion.
If the funds allocated for the filter were to be devoted to policing, I'd be surprised if they were not way more effective.
 
Maybe if we had a filter this kind of information would be harder to get to? Seems very political and he also seems like he has no idea about the Internetzzz?
 
drsmith said:
It will be interesting to see how Stephen Conroy attemps to dismiss it.
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It will be more interesting to see how Fairfax deals with the issue from here. And the rest of the media.

The media have been MIA on this. Just astounding that journos would swallow this Sh!te without a whimper. But then again there really isn't journos any more, just spin regurgitators.

They put up an innocent poll and its gone nutz. If they drop this one then I'm off to the conspiracy thread and join the nutters over there. have a read through the comments they are universally slamming the idea - all 600 of them. Amazingly one sided.
 
Julia said:
I don't know how effective the AFP is, but that's a sensible suggestion.
If the funds allocated for the filter were to be devoted to policing, I'd be surprised if they were not way more effective.
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Conroy and the other superannuation club road-train lovers think that Glasnost went too far & enlightened too many. Now the current Canberra politburo have to implement this new control policy to make sure such freedom to access information doesn't happen again under their Government or any future one.

After all what have China's politburo and Senator Conroy got in common? ;)
 

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Has the filtering begun yet as I am experiencing nothing abnormal while searching for information or pleasure on the internet?
 
Wysiwyg said:
Has the filtering begun yet as I am experiencing nothing abnormal while searching for information or pleasure on the internet?
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I still found the preview/trailer of 1984 on youtube with the 'Sex Crime' soundtrack song by The Eurythmics. How ironic is that??? :cautious: But when I tried to watch the whole version on youtube the sex scenes were deleted. WTF??? Wasn't that the whole point of the movie??? :confused: Of course not, the point of the movie was......









































'censorship'. :D

 
It's unlikely that all our bleating on this forum will make any difference.
What could make the difference, however, is the refusal of the Liberal Party (the Greens definitely won't endorse it) to allow this legislation to get through the Senate.

Let's send those representations to the Shadow Minister for Communications.
In the time it would take to make a post on this thread, you can send a clearly worded objection to the filter to the Shadow Minister.

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If the Coalition vote in favour of this in the Senate then they are as bad as the ALP on this issue.
 
GumbyLearner said:
I still found the preview/trailer of 1984 on youtube with the 'Sex Crime' soundtrack song by The Eurythmics. How ironic is that??? :cautious: But when I tried to watch the whole version on youtube the sex scenes were deleted. WTF??? Wasn't that the whole point of the movie??? :confused: Of course not, the point of the movie was......

'censorship'. :D
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Ahhh Gumby. :rolleyes: The dream police are out in force more and more these days. Not that any one of them are qualified while their talk is cheap and those rumours aint nice.
 
Julia - whilst our bleatings here (baaaa LOL) may not achieve anything, discussion threads such as this and many others CAN galvanise people into doing something that does get heard.

As I have done, first step is get hold of your federal member and tell them you are against oppressive governments taking away your right to choose. The filtering is not the issue - the right to choose, the right to not be forced into MANDATORY action by an oppressive government is.

Other steps you can take - email friends (and foes) on your email list (I did mine last night). Contact the Senators in your state. Those senators are supposed to represent you irrespective of party affiliations (which actually makes a mockery of the original purpose of the Senate - it was designed to protect the rights of individual states - not be a political extension of individual political parties which is the current setup - imho all senators should be banned from having political affiliations but that is another issue).
 
For those of you still sitting on the fence or thinking mandatory is ok, consider this:

Conroy continues to push ahead with his MANDATORY filter (which by the way is NOT in the Labor Parties policy documents).
He does so in spite of major opposition.
This is EXACTLY the find of action that will occur when a website or email system gets put into the filter. You will NEVER be able to get it back again.
His very pig headedness is indicative of the kind of thought control he and his kind invisiages for our future.

That worries me greatly.
Let me repeat that - it worries me greatly.

Here we have a government minister vehmently FORCING a MANDATORY filter into your lives that will block websites, forums, emails about anything that such zealots deem to be something you should not read or think about.

The very fact that he is so determined to push the MANDATORY part of it through should tell you something. He and his type are very very very dangerous. History is full of people like Conroy - paranoid, controlling and want to take away your freedoms.

Remember the issue is not filtering - the issue is the MANDATORY nature of what is being forced onto us.
 
Julia said:
It's unlikely that all our bleating on this forum will make any difference.
What could make the difference, however, is the refusal of the Liberal Party (the Greens definitely won't endorse it) to allow this legislation to get through the Senate.

Let's send those representations to the Shadow Minister for Communications.
In the time it would take to make a post on this thread, you can send a clearly worded objection to the filter to the Shadow Minister.

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Tony Smith

Tony Smith is the Shadow Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy. From January to December, 2007, Tony was Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister in the Howard Government. Tony was first elected to the House of Representatives for Casey, Victoria in 2001.
Contact Details

Office:
Suite One
1 East Ridge Drive
Chirnside Park, VIC 3116
Phone:
(03) 9727 0799
Email:
tony.smith.mp@aph.gov.au
Web:
http://www.tonysmithmp.com/
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Sent mine in Julia, thanks.
 
And this from the Business Spectator website www.businessspectator.com.au

COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN
by Paul Budde

Posted 30 Mar 2010 6:51 AM

Is the free internet in jeopardy?
The venerated BBC World Service recently commissioned a poll involving more than 27,000 people across 26 countries. The findings are unremarkable: some 87 per cent of internet users believe that internet access should be a basic right, and more than 70 per cent of non-users believe that they should have access to it.

Depending on your country, the internet has been available for ten years or more, and for individuals – at least in the developed world – it has since become ingrained in psyches as an essential commodity, akin to access to fixed-line telephony, electricity and potable water. For a growing number, the internet is essential for work, for a greater number it is the first port of call for problem solving and information (Wiki and online Yellow pages come to mind) or getting things done (banking, finding out timetables for travel, etc). Most governments, too, now take the internet as a key component of infrastructure, crucial to a nation’s future socio-economic potential.

Businesses will have to listen to their customers and the message is loud and clear: they are not prepared to pay unless they are convinced there is an added value. People like Rupert Murdoch might not like this, but there is no way back from the models that are set by the users and followed by successful internet media companies such as Google, Facebook, Apple, etcetera. The proposed charges to News Limited newspapers such as The Times and the Sunday Times are certainly not in line with that customer sentiment. Bluntly charging for news without following models that the users have clearly indicated they are interested in – example. free content and paid for certain information after that, or particular bundles with certain products and services will prove to be an uphill battle even for a media mogul like Murdoch.

And governments will have to listen to their voters too. A decade’s experience and use of the service has enabled a growing number of governments to manhandle the potential dangers of hacking, fraud and privacy as a means to tighten the screws on their own control of access, and of their nationals’ use of it. This is rightly opposed by the users themselves, over half of whom surveyed for the BBC believing that no government should be empowered to regulate the internet.

In Europe, the ‘three strikes rule’ threatens to become more fashionable, following measures first proposed in France: there, the Création et Internet Bill failed in 2009 when France’s Conseil Constitutionnel ruled that it leaned too much to ‘guilty until proven innocent’ and that it threatened major sanctions (internet disconnection and a national blacklist on access) without judicial oversight. Nevertheless, the government shoehorned the Bill a second time, which this month came before the National Assembly for debate.

The Bill proposes that the scheme be administered by a newly formed group called HADOPI. ISPs notified about alleged file-sharing would be required to send an e-mail to the customer involved, a registered letter at the second alleged offence and, for a third offence, terminate access for up to a year. A database managed by HADOPI could presumably prevent blocked users from switching ISPs.

Italy looks like adopting a similar approach. Having in 2009 sued the Swedish The Pirate Bay site and attempted to force ISPs to block access to its content, the more recent charging of Google executives with criminal charges resulting from YouTube content denotes a government leaning towards authoritarianism regarding the Internet. The Italian three-strikes proposal would be complemented by a requirement that all blogs register with the government.

In the UK, meanwhile, the government is pushing through its controversial Digital Economy Bill, which proposes empowering regulators to disconnect or slow down internet connections of persistent illegal file-sharers. Amendments to the Bill passed this month at the report stage at the House of Lords before its third and final reading in the House of Commons, could in theory force sites such as YouTube which host copyright-infringing material to be blocked or forced offline. The UK’s three-strikes rule is similar in its essentials to those of France and the UK, with disconnection following two warnings.

At the European Union level, the European Parliament was initially critical of the three-strikes schemes, largely due to the absence of judicial review. However, this month the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) was put forward for debate between the US, the EC, Japan, Switzerland, Australia, New Zealand, South Korea, Canada and Mexico. Aimed at preventing online counterfeiting, it threatens to punish ISPs for content delivered.

Polls show the sincerity of popular regard for a free internet, and suggest that to tackle piracy other solutions than blocking ISPs and throwing citizens offline should be considered. Until they are considered, citizens should, as always, be vigilant about what their governments are legislating, lest they find themselves with a thoroughly policed internet far removed from what they now know it to be.
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