India - Male Chauvinism Reigns Supreme

[Calliope]

Two years GG started a thread on racism in India. Far more worrying is the treatment of unaccompanied women by male louts in a country where rape complaints are not taken seriously.

AN Indian woman whose gang-rape on a bus in New Delhi sparked widespread street protests has died in Singapore after suffering severe organ failure.

Authorities in India have been preparing for the possibility her death could ignite more protests after riot police were deployed on the capital's streets in the wake of the attack amid mounting anger at the daily dangers women face.

The 23-year-old was flown to Singapore on Thursday after she was attacked by six men on a bus in New Delhi on December 16, raped, hit with an iron bar, and thrown from the vehicle.

Some Indian medics had criticised the decision to move her.

"We are very sad to report that the patient passed away peacefully at 4.45am 29 Dec 2012," Kelvin Loh, the chief executive of Singapore's Mount Elizabeth Hospital, said in a statement.

"Her family and officials from the High Commission of India were by her side."

The woman had remained in an extremely critical condition since being admitted to the hospital, Loh said, with doctors mounting a last-ditch battle overnight to save her life.

"She had suffered from severe organ failure following serious injuries to her body and brain," Loh said.

"She was courageous in fighting for her life for so long against the odds but the trauma to her body was too severe for her to overcome."

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...elhi-rape-victim/story-e6frg6so-1226544962045

 

[CanOz]

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For life of me i can't fathom what was going on in the heads of the perpetrators....:bad:

Where in their upbringing was it deemed acceptable to treat human beings this way?:frown:

Is this a religious thing? A class issue?

CanOz

 

[DB008]

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Crazy....

Painted women protesting, not students: Abhijit Mukherjee

While many in India may see the protests in Delhi a sign of protest against the treatment of women in the country, President Pranab Mukherjee‘s son and MP Abhijeet Mukherjee claimed that the women participating in the protests were “pretty women who were dented and painted”.

In an interview to ABP Ananda, Abhijeet Mukherjee said, “This is almost like the Pink Revolution. These women who are protesting have no contact with ground reality.”

“These pretty women, dented and painted, who come for protests are not students. I have seen them speak on television, usually women of this age are not students,” he said in Bengali.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/painted-women-protesting-in-delhi-not-students-abhijit-mukherjee-570455.html

and another case....

A 17-year-old Indian girl who was allegedly gang-raped killed herself after police pressured her to drop the case and marry one of her attackers, police and a relative said on Thursday.

http://news.sky.com/story/1030759/gang-rape-in-india-teen-victim-kills-herself

 

[finnsk]

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Remember what happened a few years ago with the Indian students here i Australia and all the political issues there was and protests in India, I think it puts it into perspective when you can treat your fellow country men/women like this whiteout being prosecuted

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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I was quite surprised some years ago when India accused Australia of racism.

This latest atrocity against a young woman, now dead, and her friend, affirms my belief that India has a long, long way to go to be within cooee of our advanced culture.

In India, you are judged by the lightness of your skin, your wealth, and your ability to shame, beat, work to death or rape and maim those weaker than you.

It is a chauvinistic culture and the Indian ambassador in Australia should hang his or her head in shame and apologise on behalf of his nation for this latest atrocity against women.

What a pack of tossers.

gg

 

[Julia]

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Remember the government's campaign against Tony Abbott, accusing him of misogyny?

How dare Gillard so misuse the word.

The unspeakable crime against this young woman gives the face to the reality of entrenched misogyny.

Along with, of course, India's exaggerated class and caste system, the role of women in which is quite unimaginable to us here.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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Remember the government's campaign against Tony Abbott, accusing him of misogyny?

How dare Gillard so misuse the word.

The unspeakable crime against this young woman gives the face to the reality of entrenched misogyny.

Along with, of course, India's exaggerated class and caste system, the role of women in which is quite unimaginable to us here.

+1

gg

 

[jancha]

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Long live Philogyny!!

 

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I was quite surprised some years ago when India accused Australia of racism.

I don't believe this woman's mistreatment can justify self-righteous chest-beating.
Her rape and murder by a pack of thugs does not make Australia any more or less racist.

As to "tossers" and male chauvinists, they too exist in every society, including our own. India, with around 50-times our population, is entitled to 50-times as many. And if you consider that a stupid comparison, I agree it is. Just as stupid as comparing degrees of racism in countries with different histories.

Remember, before we condemn Indians as barbaric or backward: British rulers had ample opportunity to educate the population, teach them respect for their fellow men and women, and lead them out of the ancient Caste thinking. However, the British Class-orientation - think school ties, gentry vs servants - is quite a close relative to Indian castes. I would even contend that members of the Brahman caste have far more compassion for their lower-ranked compatriots than many members of the British "Landed Gentry" have for their poor. Ever read Dickens? Some may have tried to promote public education, but most pandered to the Nabobs and Rajahs; bribing them to keep the peasants uneducated and willing serfs. Mankind has still a long way to go to achieve real Humanity. Viewed on that scale, most countries are running neck-and-neck,

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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I don't believe this woman's mistreatment can justify self-righteous chest-beating.
Her rape and murder by a pack of thugs does not make Australia any more or less racist.

As to "tossers" and male chauvinists, they too exist in every society, including our own. India, with around 50-times our population, is entitled to 50-times as many. And if you consider that a stupid comparison, I agree it is. Just as stupid as comparing degrees of racism in countries with different histories.

Remember, before we condemn Indians as barbaric or backward: British rulers had ample opportunity to educate the population, teach them respect for their fellow men and women, and lead them out of the ancient Caste thinking. However, the British Class-orientation - think school ties, gentry vs servants - is quite a close relative to Indian castes. I would even contend that members of the Brahman caste have far more compassion for their lower-ranked compatriots than many members of the British "Landed Gentry" have for their poor. Ever read Dickens? Some may have tried to promote public education, but most pandered to the Nabobs and Rajahs; bribing them to keep the peasants uneducated and willing serfs. Mankind has still a long way to go to achieve real Humanity. Viewed on that scale, most countries are running neck-and-neck,

It is a racist and misogynist culture, with little or no hope for movement or social improvement through hard work, skill or intelligence.

They deserve to have the media colonoscope beam shine deep in to their culture.

And they had the hide to accuse Australia of racism.

The Ambassador needs to be called in by Carr, to account for this unfortunate girl's torture and murder, as it is a not infrequent occurrence.

gg

 

[Calliope]

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I don't believe this woman's mistreatment can justify self-righteous chest-beating.
Her rape and murder by a pack of thugs does not make Australia any more or less racist.

What a strange conclusion to reach.

However, the British Class-orientation - think school ties, gentry vs servants - is quite a close relative to Indian castes. I would even contend that members of the Brahman caste have far more compassion for their lower-ranked compatriots than many members of the British "Landed Gentry" have for their poor

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A rape victim in Britain, whether rich or poor, would receive much more compassionate treatment and justice than a rape victim in India.

Ever read Dickens?

Has he written any good books lately?

P.S. I think you would be reasonably safe to walk around in your mini-skirt, unaccompanied, in Britain.

The emergence of women in public "is accompanied by growing threats to their safety and security in states and regions of our country." the prime minister said on Thursday. "We must reflect on this problem, which occurs in all states and regions

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/let-us-...-be-in-vain-20121229-2c064.html#ixzz2GQFUwnXn

 

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What a strange conclusion to reach.

A rape victim in Britain, whether rich or poor, would receive much more compassionate treatment and justice than a rape victim in India.

P.S. I think you would be reasonably safe to walk around in your mini-skirt, unaccompanied, in Britain.

I am not excusing the rapists; I was criticizing the hypocrisy that GG's comments displayed. When Indian students are attacked in Australia, the resulting outrage was justified in both countries. Some have accused Australia as a racist country, which, if taken on the basis of a few attacks, is a dumb generalisation. But tarring an entire country and diverse culture with the same brush of generalisation, on the base of an individual incident, is equally objectionable.
I know many Indians, who are working hard to improve the lives of their families and communities. On a statistical average, India may have a little further to go, but neither Australia nor Britain are "there yet".

As to the mini skirt, I personally would probably be safe, albeit looking ridiculous. But I wouldn't risk sending my 16yo granddaughter in a mini outfit through a dark alley in Richmond Parramatta, or Northbridge. No amount of compassion or judicial sympathy would compensate her for the likely consequences.

 

[Calliope]

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. Some have accused Australia as a racist country, which, if taken on the basis of a few attacks, is a dumb generalisation. But tarring an entire country and diverse culture with the same brush of generalisation, on the base of an individual incident, is equally objectionable.

"An individual incident". The vast majority of crimes against women in India is rape. Your generalisations are objectionable.:bad:

Rape in India has been described by Radha Kumar as one of India's most common crimes against women. In the 1980s, women's rights groups lobbied for marital rape to be declared unlawful, as until 1983, the criminal law (amendment) act stated that "sexual intercourse by a man with his own wife, the wife not being under fifteen years of age is not rape". Marital rape is now illegal in India but is still widespread. Official sources show that rape cases in India have doubled between 1990 and 2008.

(Wikipedia)

 

[So_Cynical]

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Lets face it, India and the Sub continent in general is not a great place to be a woman, there are equality laws its just that the bulk of society ignore these laws and simply go on with life as normal as has been done for century's.

Female infanticide and female foeticide is still going on and will do for decades to come, widows cannot remarry and brides are expected to be virgins, sons get sent abroad to study while daughters stay home and get married....culture is a funny thing.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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India is a very poor country, whose elites are only interested in their own self preservation and progeny.

The lighter your skin colour and the richer you are, the better you fare.

The Indian Ambassador needs to be called to account for this lack of protection of this young couple.

Bob Carr needs to call the Ambassador in and sort him or her out, particularly after the slanders in recent times against against Australia.

A particularly good film I once saw illustrating the travails of the underclass in Indian is Bandit Queen : An overview of Phoolan Devi's life, a brave "untouchable", subjected to rape by her "betters". She won out in the end.

gg

 

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Lets face it, India and the Sub continent in general is not a great place to be a woman, there are equality laws its just that the bulk of society ignore these laws and simply go on with life as normal as has been done for century's.

Female infanticide and female foeticide is still going on and will do for decades to come, widows cannot remarry and brides are expected to be virgins, sons get sent abroad to study while daughters stay home and get married....culture is a funny thing.

On all those issues we can agree, S_C;
It's a prehistoric mindset that persisted for thousands of years and is therefore hard to shake.
Until recently, Western societies had the same patriarchal, paternalistic, patronising attitude. Just check the Ten Commandments - both in the OT and the not-so-old Charlton Heston movie.
Australia may be ahead of some countries by a few decades, maybe a century and a half? But that little advantage is no reason to be smug and pretend indignation when the shoe happens to be on the other foot.

GG, I wasn't aware that an Australian girl had been raped and murdered; if so, and only then, would Australian representatives have cause to cite the Indian ambassador and formally protest. As far as I know, no foreign diplomat has ever protested over rape, dispossession, and murder of Australian Indigenous people.

End of rant.

 

[Calliope]

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Until recently, Western societies had the same patriarchal, paternalistic, patronising attitude. Just check the Ten Commandments - both in the OT and the not-so-old Charlton Heston movie.
End of rant.

First of all you use Dickens to justify your excuses for Indian "culture" and now you use the Ten Commandments. Perhaps you should drag your thinking back to the 21st century.

You agree with So Cynical who thinks Indian culture "is a funny thing"

A culture which excuses or turns a blind eye to rape is an evil thing. Not funny at all.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

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First of all you use Dickens to justify your excuses for Indian "culture" and now you use the Ten Commandments. Perhaps you should drag your thinking back to the 21st century.

You agree with So Cynical who thinks Indian culture "is a funny thing"

A culture which excuses or turns a blind eye to rape is an evil thing. Not funny at all.

Agree totally.

Only problem is that these six neanderthals who abused and killed this poor lass, represent a groupthink in Indian society.

They are a sick mob.

Let us hope they can change and learn from this.

I have Indian mates who left because of this type of crap, or because they were too poor or too dark.

gg

 

[banco]

Least India has some redeeming qualities unlike Pakistan.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Least India has some redeeming qualities unlike Pakistan.

And they are?

gg