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Imminent and severe market correction

may be orf topic but..
despite continued rumours of a looming large writedown.. and Merrills downgrading fred and fannie... apparently thhe market downturn is due to a snow storm in NY...
enough already...
Cheers
..........Kauri
 
sorry to be orf subject again.... but...

Spanish real estate company Habitat may have to declare bankruptcy if it cannot get at least six bank lenders signed up by Wednesday. Equity traders have taken the news as a sign that the economic sickness is spreading, an omen of more pressure on global equity markets.

Cheers
...........Kauri
 

I find it hard to believe the sources claim that CNBC deliberately manipulated the market on Friday afternnon by releasing this story. I think the FT has a better article on the story.


It's hard to understand why this didn't happen sooner. At the risk of oversimplifying, why not put up $2 -$3 billion in capital now, to save $50 billion in writedowns in the future?

Are the banks that capital impaired they can't afford to stump up the money? At the end of the day it's throwing good money after bad, but if they can prevent a downgrade in the insurers credit rating by stumping up a few billion, surely that is preferable than tens of billions in writedowns.

Also of interest in a story which may affect the other major Bond Insurer MBIA


This story seems to have gotten lost amidst the euphoria of the AMBAC rescue.
 
The biggest problem with the Bond insurers is that it is impossible to tell (at least at this stage) if the capital provided will be sufficient to maintain a liquid operation for them...

Imagine how many different tranche's of mortgages, with varying quality (albeit a lot of them poor), they have exposure to and then trying to mathematically work out, based on current delinquencies, what the insurers have to pay out in the future. Then add into the equation that there may be the ability for the manager to actually to foreclose on the houses in the pool and varying legalities based on the way that the notes were assigned the underlying cash flow, trigger clauses etc. Then multiply that by the number of different instruments they insured.......... There is just no way of being able to tell if this will be enough. Makes you wonder why in the hell they did it in the first place, surely any sane risk manager would have said "this is just impossible for us to be able to tell how we can ensure we have enough reserves to cover worst case scenario"....

America is just living in the fallacy that the financials wizards will be able to maintain their (the insurers) going concern status - the reality is that neither the bear or bull camp for the insurers truly know, because it could take years to find out the truth!!!!

Cheers
 
The line up in the bank bail out list tells it all .

The storyline would have us believe that there will be no rerating .

Wouldn't that be just dandy for those banks caught out holding the dunny paper ?


More Goldilocks stuff , or is it Cinderella this time .......... ?
 

Exactly, and this is why I started off the previous post by asking why this didn't happen sooner. If it is just as simple as stumping up $2-3 billion to prevent $50 billion in writedowns why didn't they do this a month ago?

Precisely because as you say, how can the banks be sure that it will be enough? If this gets done there will not only have to be a cash injection but lines of credit to back up further potential losses. The banks don't want to do it because it ties up capital at a time when they are severely capital constrained.

However the banks seem to have decided that propping up AMBAC is preferable to letting it lose it's AAA rating.
 

There are a couple of issues I see. Like you guys have stated, how do they know anything will be enough to cover the trillions of dollars of crap out there? 2 billion is a piss in a river when it comes to that surely.

Secondly, how can banks that own the securities backed by the insurer and the rater of that security, then become the major stakeholder in the business doing the insuring and rating? It's a gigantic conflict of interest, that a retarded chicken could see through.

I don't think they can stop the whole thing coming down eventually, without splitting them up. Because these insurers for want of a better term, are cluster fukced. But even with splitting the insurers up, they are stuffed anyway, perhaps just slightly less so.

All that the bail out parties provide is a very handy watchlist for stocks to short when the whole thing comes down. It's not hard to see who is bound to lose most, by the actions of some...
 
There has to be a twist here , the wads of paper the banks hold will still have to be rerated . If that's the case , how are they going to acheive investment standard cash reserve ratios and bail the bond insurers out .

If they bail them out , how do they know the likes of AMBAC won't get rerated anyway ? The capiltization is only one of the problem . What about legals from all that will eventually sue ?

There has to be a side issue on all the structured financing and municipal bonds , other than a bail out .

Unless they don't want to look that far forward ......... again .

The issues are global not just on Wall and State Street , there will be comeback for those rated instruments ticked off and rubber stamped , but of course then it was certain banks that traded these heavily , exporting them .

Look around , where didn't they find suckers ?


Some of those suckers will be able to afford mega legal teams to swipe back with .
 
A slight change of theme.This article is from Stephanie Pomboy of MacroMavens.

"The occasion is the sixth anniversary of MacroMavens. Stephanie is unorthodoxy personified, wonderfully adept at puncturing myths and popping bubbles with pointed fact, whether originating in Wall Street, Washington or other louche locales. The credit crisis has provided a great stomping ground for her from its incipiency through the seizing up of the SWAPS market; invariably, she's a step or two ahead of the actual disaster.

All the grandiose plans to prop up the sinking homeowner appear absurd to her in the face of the obvious question: With $6 trillion of the $8 trillion in residential mortgage debt securitized, how do you get a lender to renegotiate a mortgage when you don't know who the lender is?

Most interesting in her latest screed, we thought, were her candidates for the next serious casualties of the credit collapse, credit cards and commercial real estate. For a spell now, Stephanie has been predicting that to make up the void in home-equity lending, consumers will shift to plastic, foreshadowing a bumper crop of credit-card delinquencies. And she observes that "while smiley-faced pundits laud 'still low' delinquency rates," such figures conceal the fact that explosive growth in credit-card borrowing has been accompanied by a "massive increase" in dollar amount of delinquencies.

The other terrible accident waiting to happen, Stephanie cautions, is commercial real estate. Eager to make up for lost residential mortgage volume, banks have been pouring dough hand over first into the commercial real-estate market, creating, naturally, a huge and swiftly inflating bubble. Such profligate lending has swollen commercial real-estate loans to 14% of all bank loans, the largest slice since data first was collected 13 years ago.

Inevitably, delinquencies are starting to rise apace with the burgeoning loans and have reached their highest level in a decade. The problem is a dead certainty to get worse, as troubles in Wall Street spill over into the commercial real estate market. Stephanie cites a report by CB Richard Ellis that 42% of commercial real estate in lower Manhattan and 28% in midtown is tied to the financial sector.

Ruminating on the frantic scurrying about in Washington to come up with some palliatives for distressed homeowners (especially those who vote) and stretched-to-the-limit lenders (especially those who chip into campaign coffers) Stephanie views the efforts with something between wonder and mild incredulity.

Contrary to the conventional wisdom and the traditional lack of any kind of wisdom in Washington, she avers, "The current credit bust is not simply a function of reckless real-estate lending -- residential and commercial. It is a function of interest rate 'resets' across the entire U.S. economy."
Consumers aren't the "only ones who haplessly heeded Greenspan's call to ARMS." Everyone, she explains, switched to borrowing short. Municipalities, for example, as we've just had unhappy reason to discover.

And so did Corporate America with a vengeance: Floating-rate paper now accounts for 54% of its overall issuance, up from 26% in 2002, and a tidy $565 billion in corporate bonds have to be rolled over this year, 34% greater than last year.

Hey smiley face, what's so funny?"
 

Thanks,

A good summary of the situation with AMBAC was posted on Naked Capitalism yesterday. It seems that the banks are not stumping up cash but rather providing a back stop to a rights issue.

 
Thought this might give people a bit of a laugh. A couple of videos relating to the sub-prime mess. Posted them on the blog as well.

The first is John Fortune & John Bird, which is very very funny, and great if you are having trouble following how this fiasco happened.

The second is a little easier to follow.


 

The Sunday Times reports that HSH Nordbank, one of Germany"s biggest financial institutions is to sue UBS, the Swiss banking giant, claiming it was mis-sold hundreds of millions of dollars worth of subprime securities. The action is expected to trigger a wave of similar lawsuits across world financial centres as institutions seek recompense for losses incurred from buying complex financial instruments that are now worth a fraction of their original price.legal experts say action against investment banks that sold these products will drag on for years, and up to 500 BLN USD will have to be written off against the value of sub-prime mortgages.
 
The action is expected to trigger a wave of similar lawsuits across world financial centres
Great, so all the losses are going to be magnified by massive legal costs.

How to profit from a credit crunch: become a lawyer.

GP
 
Great, so all the losses are going to be magnified by massive legal costs.

How to profit from a credit crunch: become a lawyer.

GP

Too specific.

How to profit FROM ANY SITUATION IMAGINABLE: become a lawyer.

Now, that's more like it.....


AJ
 
Too specific.

How to profit FROM ANY SITUATION IMAGINABLE: become a lawyer.

Now, that's more like it.....


AJ

it seems a lot of them have found ways to profit from the current problems.. investment banks are "secretly" profiting from emergency ECB funding by acting as brokers to funnel billions of euros to Britain"s banks and building societies re: "much needed liquidity". On Friday, Lloyds TSB chief executive Eric Daniels confirmed that the bank had used the ECB to "fund at the best rate we can".
Cheers
..........Kauri
 
Rumours that a Goldman analyst in a report has said that large additional write downs are still possible going forrard. The report purportedly says that Citi will have $12 bln in additional write downs, Merrill $4 bln, Lehman $3.5 bln, JPM $3.4 bln, MS $3.1 bln, and BSC $1.4 bln. Good to see that they haven't mentioned themselves..

Cheers
...........Kauri
 
Maybe Merrills will fill in the blanks about Goldman Sucks.
 
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