Immigration stupidity?

Not that long ago 5000 people from Sudan were let into Australia on humanitarian grounds. The result of this has been a crime nightmare. Police are frustrated with how they need to place there resourses, gangs of young men from this import are now a cause of much crime.
Most third world people migrating & others know that They don't need to work as long as they pump out kids & they sure pump them out !.

I don't think this form of immigration makes most Aussies happy ?.

Bob.

Can someone point me to a news report (from anywhere on the internet) that demonstrates that we have gangs of Sudanese immigrants roaming the streets of our cities committing criminal acts or actively rorting our welfare system?

Because I haven't seen it or heard about it. Perhaps it's an urban myth.

stockGURU said:

Can someone point me to a news report (from anywhere on the internet) that demonstrates that we have gangs of Sudanese immigrants roaming the streets of our cities committing criminal acts or actively rorting our welfare system?

Because I haven't seen it or heard about it. Perhaps it's an urban myth.

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It ain`t. Pull your head out of the sand.

I agree Snake - issuse like this need to be discussed.

People need to be aware that this is NOT racism, but a real and important fact.

I'm talking generally here, but if a minority group stands out from the rest then we need to deal with it.

If it can't be dealt with internally (leaders of minority groups) then the wider community must become involved.

It's our country too.

The dean of Sydney University openly stated that he considered it a mistake to let in these types of people, and that we would end up with American style ghettos. I believe he is correct

sam76 said:

I'm talking generally here, but if a minority group stands out from the rest then we need to deal with it.

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No, If laws are broken then those commnitting the crimes need to be dealt with.

Whether they are from a particular minority group is completely irrelevant. It's a mistake to generalise and label all members of a particular group as criminals.

Rod.

Giving refuge to 'Asylum Seekers' is a very delicate balance. I agree you can't tar a whole race with the same brush but if the floodgates open they are very difficult to close again. I used to think, growing up in London, that it was a few rotten apples that were to blame, right up until I earnt my visa and got my family the hell out of the quagmire of illegal immigrants/economic migrants/spongers/downright criminals that populate much of South East England.

The amount of British taxpayers money that goes on trying to keep the police and prison services heads above water is frightening, and quite frankly they are not coping.

Case in point: When I was burgled a few weeks ago I had a cop on my doorstop in 15 minutes, and some of my property was recovered including my passport (phew). When I was burgled in London about 5 years ago I got a visit from the police THREE DAYS later, telling me it was a waste of time anyway because a team of eastern europeans had ripped through the neighborhood.

Does Australia really want to go the same way?

A professor at an Australian university (I think it was Macquarie uni but I'm not entirely sure) publicly stated that Australia's multicultural policy is not working and never will work. He pointed out that in other countries multiculturalism has led to wildly escalating crime rates, and general disharmony.
The professor was promptly suspended from his job for making 'racist' comments.
RACIST MY FOOT!!
Since when is it racist to make a statement of observation based on the facts???
I'm with Snake P....anyone who claims that multiculturalism isn't leading to increased crime rates (whether its Sudanese or anyone else) needs to take his head out of the sand and face up to reality.
More than 1000 Sudanese have been imported into my city (population 100,000) over the last couple of years. Already there are gangs of Sudanese causing trouble. And they're breeding like rabbits.......just about every Sudanese woman seems to be pregnant and have a tribe of small kids with her.
In my daughter's school, one of the female teachers chastised a Sudanese boy for some misdemeanour. He immedeiately stood her up and said angrily to her...."Who do you think you are - you can't tell me what to do - you're just a woman".
Apparently women are regarded very much as second rate people in Sudanese society, and have virtually no rights at all.

There are so many English speaking people who are trying to get into Australia, people from cultures similar to our own, people who would fit in immediately if they came here, people who would make an immediate contribution to our country, people who would not be a burden on our economy.
Why not bring these people in instead of all this other lot who can't even speak English, and whose cultures and vaules are so different to our own that they're always going to hold themselves apart from us, and never fit in.
Many of our imports have no desire and no intention of ever becoming Australians and embracing our ideals and our way of life.
The other day in a supermarket I saw two Arab women, dressed in full Arab regalia, long black dresses, veils, face masks etc, and yabbering in their own language.
If they want to continue being Arabs then why the hell didn't they stay in the Middle East?

I'm not racist....I have Egyptian friends, Sri Lankan friends, Papuan friends, all of whome have been to my home for barbeques, dinner etc. But these people made a point of becoming as Australian as they possibly could from the moment they emigrated here. They embraced our way of life and our culture, and they're generally liked and accepted by born and bred Australians.

But there are just too many immigrants who shun us, shun our way of life, shun our culture, and cause trouble.

The multicultural experiment is not working in this country and hasn't worked in other countries.
We'll rue the day when we embraced multiculturalism.

Bunyip

Hi bunyip

No offence, but to me you are coming across as being racist.

Interesting anecdotes you posted - but whether they are true or not I don't know because firstly you don't disclose the name of "your city" and secondly you don't provide any verifiable info to support your other anecdotes.

cheers

bullmarket

Hi Bullmarket

I'm not at all offended by your opinion that I'm coming across as a racist. Amused, yes, but not offended.
That university professor I mentioned was branded a racist too, simply because he stated, as I've done, that multiculturalism isn't working here, hasn't worked in other countries, and leads to increasing levels of crime/violence/disharmony.
Someone wrote into the local paper in my area, and expressed his concern about the increasing Sudanese related incidents of violence and other crimes. He was immediately branded a racist too, by three people who wrote to the paper and gave him a serve.
And no - I don't have verifiable proof of this - I don't make a point of keeping clippings from papers. Nor do I make a habit of always carrying a camera with me to snap pictures of every gang of thugs I see, so that I can supply 'verifiable proof' to people like you.
You can believe me or disbelieve me, that's up to you...its all the same to me.

You've judged me as a racist because of the views I've expressed, but you haven't expressed any views of your own.
So tell me, Bullmarket.......what are your views on multiculturalism?

Is it working here, or is it causing problems that may have been largely avoided if we'd been more selective in who we brought into our country?

Do you share my opinion that our immigrants should embrace our culture, our language, our way of life?

Do you think they're doing so?

Do you think immigrants from vastly different cultures, religions etc are compatible with mainstream Australia?

Do you think they want to be compatible?

Do you think they're making the effort to be compatible?

Do you think Australia should feel obligated to import people from countries that are torn by civil wars, dictatorships, internal strife etc?
Is it really our responsibility to act as nursemaid to the rest of the world?

I'm sure you have a TV and you watch the news each night. Do you like what you're seeing in other countries that have adopted multiculturalism, and do you think multiculturalism is working in those countries?

Perhpas you might like to give us your views on religion too. For example.......

Do you think we should embrace/tolerate the Muslim religion?

Do you think the Muslim religion tolerates other religions, particular Christianity which is the mainstream religion in Australia?

From your observation of other countries, (and here in Australia too) do you see any problems resulting from religious differences, particularly where Muslims are involved?

For the record, Bullmarket......I don't consider anyone as inferior to me on the basis of their religion, culture, race, skin colour, education, gender, or anything else.
I just don't like the way that certain elements of foreigners are slowly but surely stuffing up Australia and the Australian way of life.

Bunyip

Hi bunyip

no problem

I notice you haven't answered the relatively simple question I asked you yesterday about your 30 day weighted moving average post and so I won't be wasting my time going into detail answering your questions here.

But suffice to say I support the concept of multiculturism, although obviously some things can be done better to help us all get along better.

If you are genuinely interested in my views then I am sure you can use the search function just as easily as I can to look up some of my views on immigration which I posted in a similar thread not too long ago.

cheers

bullmarket

bullmarket said:

Hi bunyip

No offence, but to me you are coming across as being racist.

Interesting anecdotes you posted - but whether they are true or not I don't know because firstly you don't disclose the name of "your city" and secondly you don't provide any verifiable info to support your other anecdotes.

cheers

bullmarket

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This is the sort of propaganda one encounters if they speak out.
You are a racistetc.

Multiculturism doesn`t work! It is an experiment that is showing negative results towards host countries participating in the experiment. Those who do not integrate should be thrown out, its that simple. Those who do integrate are welcome, its that simple.

Bullmarket if you want info check out Holland, France, Britain and look deeper than the daily press or the Daily Telegraph, toilet rag.

Read this: http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn121.html

But suffice to say I support the concept of multiculturism, although obviously some things can be done better to help us all get along better.

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Such as?

I'm in the middle of helping someone set up a spreadsheet atm so if you want to discuss further I'll get back to you when time permits.

cheers

bullmarket

bullmarket said:

I'm in the middle of helping someone set up a spreadsheet atm so if you want to discuss further I'll get back to you when time permits.

cheers

bullmarket

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As usual all generalisation but no committed thoughts. Enjoy that spreadsheet. :kebab

I think there are two concepts here that often get mixed and confused with each other, and the point has been touched on briefly.

1/ Multiculturalsim
2/ Multiracialism

The two are actually independant of each other.

I agree with those who say multiculturalism doesn't work. The evidence of this abounds.

Nothing to to say that multiracialism can't work. We all have friends of different ethnic backgrounds and races (if such a thing exists) and there is never a problem so long as all embrace the same, or similar cultural values.

Post Aboriginal Australia happens to be founded on Anglo-Saxon Christian culture; this is the predominant culture and for better or for worse, is the one that should be embraced by all... or at least respected in public.

As it is, it is the least respected. Very bad!

no problem snake

You seem to forget that I am not at your beck and call

If you want to discuss further than I will respond when it suits me as there are more important things going on in this world for me atm than replying to your posts when you want me too.

see you in the soup

bullmarket

Actually I would be interested to know about the Sudanese issue because this is the first I have heard of it too! We have quite a large Sudanese community here yet havent heard of any problems about it. We have just had Womadelaide over the weekend and everyone enjoyed the multicultural atmosphere. The only problems we had was with a gang of 12 who went on a wild spree but they looked more European to

OK... calm down everyone...
how about some history now...

here are sudanese christians and sudanese muslims...
incidentally, the sudanese christians come from the south of sudan, and for the last 10 years they have been persecuted big time by the govt of sudan (run by the muslims)... and the sudanese muslims in the north...

The sudanese christians are genuine refugees and yes, we are obligated to provide them with asylum as they are fleeing persecution.

these are all facts and you are free to check up on them....

now, before we tarnish all sudanese, and indeed all people who look like they might be sudanese... its important to realise which group here are the ones causing problems, and which ones are the more peacefull group...

BUNYIP.... i'd be interested if your could find out which group of Sudanese are in your area... if they are muslim (and their statement suggest they are), then the question must be asked, is how did they manage to get refugee status in Australia, cause it could be by deceit.


Also, by the way, that dean of the uni who was suspended... he wasn't even Australian... he was American... and the reports i read on this pretty much said...... we shouldn't have Asians in Australia cause they are too clever for us, and we shouldn't have Africans in Australia cause their brains are still pre-historic and hence are too stupid for us...!!!

i guess he probably came from the school of thought that yearned for the day america was the land of the white man, and all the others were mainly slaves...

if thats not racist, i don't know what is!!!

(so for those who come out supporting this person, I suggest you make yourself familiar with all his views, before defending him as a misinterpreted poor soul... unless ofcourse you fully agree with everything he has said!)

wayneL said:

I think there are two concepts here that often get mixed and confused with each other, and the point has been touched on briefly.

1/ Multiculturalsim
2/ Multiracialism

The two are actually independant of each other.

I agree with those who say multiculturalism doesn't work. The evidence of this abounds.

Nothing to to say that multiracialism can't work. We all have friends of different ethnic backgrounds and races (if such a thing exists) and there is never a problem so long as all embrace the same, or similar cultural values.

Post Aboriginal Australia happens to be founded on Anglo-Saxon Christian culture; this is the predominant culture and for better or for worse, is the one that should be embraced by all... or at least respected in public.

As it is, it is the least respected. Very bad!

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Wayne,
Yes thats correct about who is the least respected.

Last July in Melbourne, muslim sheik mohammad oman said that We believe We have more rights then you ! because We choose Australia to come to & you didn't.

Around the same time visiting sheik khalid yasin addressing muslims warned , that theres no such thing as a muslim having a non- muslim friend.

Bob.