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I don't know what happens with burning off but I know for a fact it happens with other things government or quasi-governmental in nature.I would be astonished if the suitability of particular days for burning off had to be sent way upstream to a non technical risk adverse generic administrator.
Noting that quote's from the article not something you're saying but it's physically just not possible.the burnt leaves were burning again
Noting that quote's from the article not something you're saying but it's physically just not possible.
Something that is burnt simply cannot burn again.
Leaves, wood, coal, petrol, a candle, paper..... Burn it and it can't be burnt again, the ashes (if any) aren't flammable.
If it's on fire for a second time well what that really means is it wasn't burnt properly the first time.
I appreciate the fact you are spending your time on very important issues and are willing to argue for your position instead of wasting your life gaming or yabbering about what's on Netflix.Can I suggest that the quote by Greg Mullins should not be taken absolutely literally ?
He was saying that areas that had slow burns only a few weeks back still burnt fiercely when the bushfires hit.
So a slow burn reduces a fair amount of the fuel. But the trees are still standing. The branches and leaves are still intact. On the ground a fair bit of undergrowth has been burnt, half burnt. There will be stuff that has charred rather than being turned into fine ash.
Anyway that is my experience when I was doing fuel reduction in the 80s/90s
The intention of the fuel reduction is to not allow a fire to reach extreme temperatures that will destroy rather than singe mature trees.
The situation Greg Mullins was highlighting was the new reality of 2020 fires. Overall air temperatures were hotter than ever. The long drought had dried the ground and trees to levels not previously seen. Higher overnight temperatures mean fires don't even die down at night as they once had. As a consequence fires were now becoming so intense they were literally creating their own fire storms. These fire storms have happened (rarely) in the past but occurred much more in the 2019/20 fires.
It is these realities that caused Greg Mullins to highlight the critical role global heating has in intensifying fires to levels that are now unfightable. It is why we now have a catastrophic bushfire warning level at the top of the list. It is why tackling CC is a critical focus for fire management. Attempting to divert attention to just fuel reduction processes is inadequate.
Firestorms have been reported in several countries where wildfire is prevalent, including the U.S., Canada and Russia. But they appear to be becoming more common and more severe as conditions become hotter and drier as a result of human-driven climate change.
Australia has seen a dramatic uptick in the number of firestorms since 2001. According to a piece in Fire Australia, a joint publication from the Bushfire and Natural Hazards Cooperative Research Centre, Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council (AFAC) and the Fire Protection Association Australia, there were just two minor pyroCbs reported between 1978 and 2001. The following 15 years (2001 to November 2016) saw 56.
Australia's Wildfires Are So Intense They're Creating So-Called Firestorms
The scale and intensity of Australia's wildfires are triggering firestorms and firenadoes. Here's why.www.newsweek.com
I appreciate the fact you are spending your time on very important issues and are willing to argue for your position instead of wasting your life gaming or yabbering about what's on Netflix.
Interesting.I'm disappointed that instead of researching/encouraging/ assisting the community (or whoever) to tackle the grave issues that face us -- I'm still debating with people who appear very unwilling to even recognise the problem.
Cute.. But no cigar.Maybe your part of that generation that likes to get internet outraged more than getting out of your room and doing something that would have an actual impact
Pressure could be put on all that population to clean the fuel on their own properties and maintain there own fire breaks etc.
Cannot speak for the east coast but here in WA the under story growth now actually makes little difference, if you look at the Yarloop fire intensity it burnt across almost bare paddocks then burnt through the town unhindered and its a town that's been there for a hundred years or more.
Perth this summer has just gone got through a summer of 13 days 40 degrees or more without a big disaster = miracle.
Previous record was 7.
Under those conditions with a howling dry easterly nothing works or helps.
My own parents had a property in the hills the house in among jarrah trees stunning property, 15 - 20 years ago after they moved Dad mentioned to me they couldn't live there any more due to the fire risk even though he burnt the property off every year, he was right house later burnt down during the Stoneville fires.
Yes it was a worry, it was his first experience of a bushfire, his wife and kids were sent away but he stayed with the volunteer brigade.Scary stuff SP
Looking at the bush in NSW and we are primed for another holocaust, really bad in the Hunter region
Hopefully we can sneak through the rest of summer without it happening and in winter we can burn some of the rubbish off the floor of the forests.
If we don't then it is goodbye a few hundred koalas and everything else that lives in there.
Yes it was a worry, it was his first experience of a bushfire, his wife and kids were sent away but he stayed with the volunteer brigade.
Luckily when it hit his block, there wasnt a lot of wind, but it still meant 3 days loss of work and standing on the back of a ute all night manning the hose and pump fighting the fires, 100 volunteers that's Aussie mateship in a small community.
You cant buy experience like that, at least now he knows what I was worried about when I used to keep nagging him about making plans, just in case.
Hi SPIt already is in W.A, you get fIned if you don't.
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