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House prices to stagnate for 'years'

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hello,

is the house affordable though NC? yes good one

keep moaning

thankyou

You tell me Robi,

Your Labourer mate earns 60k p/a incl super, 55k after super, 40k after tax or 800 p/w.

This trashy house in Melton would cost 400p/w over 20yrs in repayments plus another 50 for rates/Insurance/Maintenance.

Your Labourer mate would have to spend well over 50pc of his take home pay to service it, Mortgage stress is defined as 35pc or more of your income going on housing.

So is it affordable for your mate on above average wages Robi? In one of the Cheapest Suburbs in Melbourne

There is a reason this property you link is "rented for $190 a week", because its a depreciating asset in a trashy area.

Thankyou.
 

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=215134

Isnt it high time the Realestate Industry was fully investigated?

Or do we, like the US, wait until after it blows up to start investigating?
 
London:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...AVCBQWIV0?xml=/money/2008/02/03/cnland103.xml

 
hello,

check out cfmeu vic site and you can download rates from them,

10% super, reduncancy, site allowance isnt on the page

the latest table is for 06, so proably been some increases from 06

happy reading NC

thankyou

robots
hello

Robots youy are a trade union thug. Just what we need
Thankyou
 
hello,

just trying to help out the brothers FF,

so NC, our labourer just walks in with no cash down

thankyou

robots
 
hello,

I think you were saying the other day all the public servants should get the wage rises NC, labourer not good enough?

thankyou

robots
 
Yes everyone earning under 100k should get wage rises, thankyou.

Should and Will are two different things obviously, would need to raise your tax to facilitate this.
 
hello,

no need to raise tax,

just get rid of all the departments Australia doesnt need

thankyou

robots
 
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/article.aspx?id=215134

Isnt it high time the Realestate Industry was fully investigated?

Or do we, like the US, wait until after it blows up to start investigating?

I do like how you selectively quote the article numptycruncher. Of course this is just an article...the paper is not publicly available yet, is it? So we can't see the exact wording of the report. What we have here are interpretations by journalists (insert finger down throat emoticon here). What about this bit right down at the bottom by the Mortgage Industry Association chief:

"Mr Naylor warned people against getting themselves into further debt after they secure a mortgage, claiming that anecdotally, it is credit card debt acquired after a mortgage that is really hurting struggling borrowers."

Those nasty real estate agents bundling free credit cards with houses again I presume?

Or perhaps you really meant to also include this one:

"Phil Naylor, the CEO of the Mortgage Industry Association has played down the research, and says that the figures are based a worst case scenario."

There is always at least two sides to any story, usually many more.

For mine, eventually, when it becomes widely acknowledged (but perhaps not proven a la tobacco and smoking and cancer) that debt expansion and contraction is behind every boom and bust we'll have to stick great big slogans on debt products eg. x Bank's NEW Credit Saver Card, WARNING: taking on excessive debt may harm your unborn babies chances of living in 3br 15 sq. home with a backyard in a nice neighbourhood.

ASX.G
 
I do like how you selectively quote the article numptycruncher.


Hello Gorilla

is it not ok to quote the bit of article I am concerned about ?

Compounding the problem is the fact that many properties are being over-valued at the time of purchase, meaning that even selling properties doesn't necessarily get the borrower out of debt.

Properties being over valued at time of purchase has what exactly to do with Credit Cards ?

Over valuing is Fraud in Australia, just like it was fraud in the US.

Thankyou.
 
Hello Gorilla

is it not ok to quote the bit of article I am concerned about ?

Go for your life. But if the premise that the doom-and-gloom article is based on is shaky at best don't be surprise is eventually someone pulls you up on it.

Properties being over valued at time of purchase has what exactly to do with Credit Cards ?

Over valuing is Fraud in Australia, just like it was fraud in the US.

Where did this "fact" come from? The article, or the report? Or is this a wise-guy journalist trying to join his own dots? Seems like a pretty shaky article to go basing solid beliefs on. Then again, it's from a 'real' news company, and there are two big names at the top of the report, so it ought to be real. But isn't Fujitsu Consulting an IT consultancy company, last time I checked. And I don't recall last time I saw JP Morgan selling residential mortgages in Australia.

Think for yourself.

ASX.G
 
hello,

"A rally in property shares since the start of the year has seen British Land and the wider commercial property sector buck the general gloom of the market, rising by over 5 per cent. Its rivals, Liberty and Hammerson, are also due to report in February, but the market is split on its outlook for share movements."

now we get to the truth, people still buying those property shares by the looks of it, strange paragraph in the article

thankyou

robots
 
Surely the onus isnt upon the Forum user to prove the accuracy of a reporters report

More than one source saying it ...


http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/bexclusiveb-mortgage-pain-for-750000-owners/2008/02/02/1201801094694.html

No I cant prove what this Lady says to be true or that the reporter didnt make errors in reporting it, I simply dont have the time.
 
This is from the Housing Industry associations website, 2 rises since this data , another probably next week and probably more later during the year.





http://hia.com.au/hia/news/article/MR/National/EC/Higher%20Rates%20Tip%20More%20Into%20Mortgage%20Stress.aspx
 

All I am saying is that the higher the interest rate the less developments get to market, simply because they can't sell them as quickly.

the longer it takes to sell the developments then the longer it takes to get the next project rolling.

For example my uncle has just completed a 26 unit apartment building, 2 years ago he was selling the last units in his developments just as the paint were drying on the project.

At the moment he still has about 1/2 the units unsold, his next project is all lined up but he can't get the ball rolling till he sells another 6 apartments. so not only is his propfit on the whole project smaller because on the extended interest costs, the rate at which the projects are completed is much slower.

so yes interest rates do slow developments.
 
Surely the onus isnt upon the Forum user to prove the accuracy of a reporters report

Not at all. But whereabouts do I find your insight into these articles you keep posting up for us?

Everyone is giving robots a hard time about alleged real-estate industry ramping, amongst other stuff....I rate his anecdotal stories 1000 times higher in value than this selectively quoted mainstream media garbage.

No I cant prove what this Lady says to be true or that the reporter didnt make errors in reporting it, I simply dont have the time.

So long as you know where you stand. Good for you.

ASX.G
 
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