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House prices to stagnate for 'years'

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Just to juice it up we could add in the 80k stamp duty and 35k RE fee should the person in Kew decide to sell

So the average Kew buyer if they purchased Jun07 would probably be out to the tune of 250k+ should they bail today ..... Next quarter result will be Interesting, prices might show some action from the stock market rout eh ?
 
And then I come across this little puppy today...


http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,23636,23131118-462,00.html
 
hello,

from article:

"The fall may be much worse in some parts of the country, warned the 47-year-old investment guru, with the biggest losers the owners of new-build flats aimed at buy-to-let investors which he fears are "almost unsellable".

any chance on getting an indication on a typical london house or flat and not the BTL stuff which appears to be the SOLE thing being affected

more predictions though really

thankyou

robots
 

I can tell you everything is being affected; even big detached houses. Proof to come as it comes online. (there is a delay of some months for land registry data to be recorded)
 
not much to go on.. IG punters market for June London house...
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Most people on these sites and in the investment community (myself included) have NO idea about people on average incomes despite the fact they (by definition) drive the majority of pricing in housing.

Note the following analysis from the academic quoted earlier:


ASHLEY HALL: You talk about financial pressure. Is that the concern - the stress associated with it? Or what's the broader concern?

STEVE KEEN: This is where the trouble's coming from. People have got so many financial commitments, that they have, mainly mortgage, but then of course they go and get into credit card debt, which is where a large number of these bankruptcies are coming through. So they have an enormous financial pressure and they ultimately find they simply can't meet their living expenses and their outgoings, and then they are forced into liquidating assets, which is a large part of what's driving the ending of the property boom in western Sydney.

ASHLEY HALL: What's the main cause of that?

STEVE KEEN: Excessive borrowing for house, speculation on house prices. We've encourage people - certainly in the last 15 years in particular - to borrow money to go and buy an asset which then they expect to sell to somebody else for a higher price. But it's a merry-go-round. The only way you can keep on doing it is somebody else borrows yet more money than you've done and they've got to borrow money faster than they're earning in income. And ultimately we're getting towards to crunch point where that game no longer works.


How much of Australian property is in the hands of these types of people?

How many 'middle class' couples live 30kms from the city and have one partner working just to meet the mortgage? How motivated will they be when prices drop 10% or 30%?

The "western suburbs of Sydney" is now duplicated in Brisbane, Melbourne, Gold Coast, Perth etc...

A couple of other points:

1. Beware the 'Nouveau Rich' suburbs.

Investment bankers, brokers, dealers, agents are not going to have a good year and this means 60% paycuts in many cases, coupled with a crippling debt load.

Properties that supported multiple other properties and leases will come on the market at massive discounts.

Old money may be OK - but beware areas filled with 911s.

2. Commercial is about to get chopped up - note JPMorgan's bank analyst on the DJ newswire today talking about the denial in commercial at the moment:

"Commercial property values haven risen to the point where yields are at historic lows compared to interest rates, which suggests that either (i) the Australian 5 year swap rate is going to fall 300 basis points, (ii) rents are going to double, or (iii) commercial property prices are going to fall 50%,"

Lemme tell ya, rents aren't doubling in a bear market and rates aren't dropping 300bps with inflation above 3%


Many wealthy boomers are now sh!tting themselves about the sharemarket and will make the final 'mugs play' moving into property at historic low yields and high interest rates. We may see a final blip in prices - but as per the US, UK, Ireland, NZ, Japan, Spain experience, reality will catch up to Australia.


At least in equities you can have the Chinese economy as your 'tenant'.
 
Let me requote something for the Realestate perma-bulls

Lemme tell ya, rents aren't doubling in a bear market and rates aren't dropping 300bps with inflation above 3%
 
Why are we even discussing property in a share market forum.
Let these property guru go off to their property forum and have it there.

I'm happy for them to buy these property asset that pay 3 or 4 % yield and capital gain will always be double digits.

Keep them coming I need these investors when I sell my house.
 

Hasn't anyone told this guy that the most extreme arguement types are also the weakest??? If only economics was this logical then most trained economists could GET IT RIGHT. Alas it isn't and they can't/don't.

At least he got in the paper for his 15 minutes. Sheeesh.

ASX.G
 

So which one do you think is coming?

a. Rents doubling
b. Bonds dropping 3%
c. Values falling

Or are you betting on illogical outcomes?

Sheesh
 
hello,

let me remind people of a couple of things:

isnt property still 7-8x average salary?

as that is what people are always telling me, which means guess what lads property is still as high as ever

thankyou

robots
 
hello,

maybe none of those three will occur, most likely that would be the outcome

thankyou

robots
 
So which one do you think is coming?

a. Rents doubling
b. Bonds dropping 3%
c. Values falling

Or are you betting on illogical outcomes?

Sheesh

Why are they the only possibilities? Why not a blend of each? Much more likely in reality. Rents probably will go up, as inflation kicks along. Bond rates are not likely to drop in Australia in the short to medium term, IMO. Values? Refer to the title of the thread. Having said that, commercial probably is more likely to drop than residential, from what I understand of that market (between very little and nothing).

ASX.G
 
hello,

yes yes, thankyou

just doing my bit AGAIN for society,

making people laugh and enjoy discussion

have a wonderful day tomorrow

thankyou

robots
 
hello,

yes yes, thankyou

just doing my bit AGAIN for society,

making people laugh and enjoy discussion

have a wonderful day tomorrow

thankyou

robots
Uuuummmmm, I don't think ramping overpriced property is a service to society.

When making people laugh, I've found it's better to have people laugh with you instead of at you, and ramping over-priced property isn't really a laughing matter either...
 
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