House prices to keep rising for years

[Soft Dough]

Ummm no there was better pay years ago without the fhbg. I noticed you had an issue with trades previous, and quoted stupidly high rates of pay for plumbers before. I doubt you would know the right end of a hammer, let alone what it takes to run a company. It's pathetic to look down on, and rag about other profesions, when you have no idea. Trades will just run to the mines, or other industrys when work gets quiet.
And there is a reason why there is a skill shortage and lack of quality builders
Someone must have burnt you bad.

Please do tell me how much it costs to get a plumber around for a 1 hour job, a 2 hour job and a 8 hour job. I look forward to comparing this to other jobs.

( gets ready to read about how expensive it is to start and run a plumbing "business" - I'll save you some time - $20000 for a ute + $10000 tools and fittings $5000 advertising. Costs = fuel, maintenance, phone. PLUS the added benefit of using your personal use of phone, fuel, transport, renovations as a tax deduction!! )

If the pay is so poor at the moment, why are they not at the mines already?

Rubbish, their pay has gone up ridiculously over the past 10 years. Gone are the days where the plumber drives a beat up old ute, and has overalls with holes in them. Nowadays the callout fees are atrocious, the hourly rates are horrendous.

PS I have owned businesses before, but that is a different story, and I resist the temptation to bignote myself . I sold them to start a career which I will enjoy, even though it means a massive paycut.

Also being a plumber is not a profession, it is a trade.

 

[robots]

Please do tell me how much it costs to get a plumber around for a 1 hour job, a 2 hour job and a 8 hour job. I look forward to comparing this to other jobs.

( gets ready to read about how expensive it is to start and run a plumbing "business" - I'll save you some time - $20000 for a ute + $10000 tools and fittings $5000 advertising. Costs = fuel, maintenance, phone. PLUS the added benefit of using your personal use of phone, fuel, transport, renovations as a tax deduction!! )

If the pay is so poor at the moment, why are they not at the mines already?

Rubbish, their pay has gone up ridiculously over the past 10 years. Gone are the days where the plumber drives a beat up old ute, and has overalls with holes in them. Nowadays the callout fees are atrocious, the hourly rates are horrendous.

PS I have owned businesses before, but that is a different story, and I resist the temptation to bignote myself . I sold them to start a career which I will enjoy, even though it means a massive paycut.

Also being a plumber is not a profession, it is a trade.

hello,

long live the tradie, they are entitled to earn whatever they like just the same as you in your chosen trade (oops profession)

although perhaps your trade may be strangled by "awards"

nothing to stop you doing your own plumbing at your own house

that UK site does not have every house sold on it, contact the local State Revenue Office

thankyou
professor robots

 

[wayneL]

that UK site does not have every house sold on it, contact the local State Revenue Office

Yes it does. It is land registry data.

 

[moXJO]

Please do tell me how much it costs to get a plumber around for a 1 hour job, a 2 hour job and a 8 hour job. I look forward to comparing this to other jobs.

( gets ready to read about how expensive it is to start and run a plumbing "business" - I'll save you some time - $20000 for a ute + $10000 tools and fittings $5000 advertising. Costs = fuel, maintenance, phone. PLUS the added benefit of using your personal use of phone, fuel, transport, renovations as a tax deduction!! )

If the pay is so poor at the moment, why are they not at the mines already?

Rubbish, their pay has gone up ridiculously over the past 10 years. Gone are the days where the plumber drives a beat up old ute, and has overalls with holes in them. Nowadays the callout fees are atrocious, the hourly rates are horrendous.

PS I have owned businesses before, but that is a different story, and I resist the temptation to bignote myself . I sold them to start a career which I will enjoy, even though it means a massive paycut.

Also being a plumber is not a profession, it is a trade.

Ooops you forgot a few expenses there, and ignored a lot of the risks. As far as how much they earn an hour, it depends what they are doing and who you have got. Employed plumbers are earning $40k - $100k, but roughly $60k-$70k on average. Those that are self-employed will be much higher or lower depending. If they are good and in demand then it will ne higher.
Here’s an idea, get a few quotes If you have a crappy job and a plumber already has to much work on, they generally quote high so they won't get it.
Pays have not gone up for a lot of the trades by that much either.
A lot of trades could not make it work and did go to the mines. For every one plumber you show me that made it I'll show you ten that fell by the wayside.
But please big note yourself and enlighten me. Tell me how money falls from the sky for the average tradie. Just because you took a pay cut does that now mean you forever rag on tradies to do the same?
If they make so much and it's so easy, please come join us in our bathtub full of easy money and join a trade.
You obviously have a very spiteful axe to grind. Maybe you should concentrate on what you have, instead of b1tching about what you perceive others to be making.

 

[Soft Dough]

Ooops you forgot a few expenses there, and ignored a lot of the risks. As far as how much they earn an hour, it depends what they are doing and who you have got. Employed plumbers are earning $40k - $100k, but roughly $60k-$70k on average. Those that are self-employed will be much higher or lower depending. If they are good and in demand then it will ne higher.
Here’s an idea, get a few quotes If you have a crappy job and a plumber already has to much work on, they generally quote high so they won't get it.
Pays have not gone up for a lot of the trades by that much either.
A lot of trades could not make it work and did go to the mines. For every one plumber you show me that made it I'll show you ten that fell by the wayside.
But please big note yourself and enlighten me. Tell me how money falls from the sky for the average tradie. Just because you took a pay cut does that now mean you forever rag on tradies to do the same?
If they make so much and it's so easy, please come join us in our bathtub full of easy money and join a trade.
You obviously have a very spiteful axe to grind. Maybe you should concentrate on what you have, instead of b1tching about what you perceive others to be making.

I note that you failed to answer the question.

but that is ok as I am aware of what they charge, as you know I am friends with many people in the industry. Tradies who gloat about how much they charge naive people, and developers who laugh about how much extra they tack onto the price of new developments.

I don't need to join a trade, my new position will make more money, for a better work load.

I have no axe to grind, just pointing out where quite a bit of the excess money in the cost of a house goes to - wages, margins of tradesmen and developers, and councils. You are the one getting defensive about how much plumbers overcharge not me

 

[gfresh]

Being a tradie isn't all dollars and the high life.. Might be fine for a few years, but by the time you're 40 and have a stuffed back, and have skin cancer or any other form of cancer breathing in all sorts of noxious fumes, or working with whatever substances often we still don't know effect they have long term. Working in the direct sun or confined places, bending over things all day, battling through traffic from one job to another. No wonder they drink so much piss each week

While some of the skills are fairly basic most can do, a lot are pretty specialised, and require quite a few years of knowledge and expertise, just like any other decent profession. I'm usually surprised with just how much they do know when having to call upon their services.

Sure the pay is quite good, but I'll keep my desk job thanks, in airconditioned comfort

 

[MACCA350]

You make it sound like they are the only ones who do any physical work or work in the elements

cheers

 

[Soft Dough]

Being a tradie isn't all dollars and the high life.. Might be fine for a few years, but by the time you're 40 and have a stuffed back, and have skin cancer or any other form of cancer breathing in all sorts of noxious fumes, or working with whatever substances often we still don't know effect they have long term. Working in the direct sun or confined places, bending over things all day, battling through traffic from one job to another. No wonder they drink so much piss each week

True, the hidden cost... I'll pay that one.

( resists the temptation to discuss health benefits of sun and exercise as these are truly outweighed by the above concerns )

Like I inferred, I would not be a tradie, just think that the government should not be subsidising building, and hence their wages.

 

[moXJO]

I note that you failed to answer the question.

but that is ok as I am aware of what they charge, as you know I am friends with many people in the industry. Tradies who gloat about how much they charge naive people, and developers who laugh about how much extra they tack onto the price of new developments.

I don't need to join a trade, my new position will make more money, for a better work load.

I have no axe to grind, just pointing out where quite a bit of the excess money in the cost of a house goes to - wages, margins of tradesmen and developers, and councils. You are the one getting defensive about how much plumbers overcharge not me

I can't give an hourly rate because it depends on too many variables, can be from $20-$200. If you’re dealing with hazardous substances or its 5 stories up and hard to access, you need it done now, etc then you will cop it big. But if you don't like it get other quotes.

Yeah I get a bit defensive because I have seen a lot start up thinking it’s easy to make money and then fail miserably, over one or two mistakes. Or the others that get caught out business wise and make less than normal wages for years on end. On top of that you have to chase work, and go through some real quiet periods with no money.

You then tell me you will make more money with less work
c'mon:

PS: Don't worry if I get a bit touchy SourD, nothing personal and I shouldn’t be ranting at you. I'm just going through a "had enough of construction work BS" mood. Honestly there are easier ways to make money.

 

[robots]

Yes it does. It is land registry data.

hello,

http://www.houseprices.co.uk/contact-us/missing-information/

sorry, i forgot anything to do with real estate must be open for public scrutiny

moXJO, can always tell the ones earning a low wage as they rip into the tradesperson, man get as much as you can in life

thankyou
professor robots

 

[satanoperca]

This thread has got derailed onto whether tradesman/woman get paid to much.

During the last few years it would seem that they have been living the high life however their work is also seasonal. While times are good, they do well, but in a down turn not so well.

I would have thought it is simply a case of supply and demand.

I would rather trades get paid well at least they do something productive than those fat cat bankers who get paid ridiculous amounts and provide very little to society.

Some tradies are professionals and some are not just like any industry.

I would encourage my young son to look at a career in the trades especially a plumber as **** must always go somewhere.

Back onto housing only time will tell whether it is back on it's upward path for now it seems it is.

Just talking to a neighbor who is selling a blue chip apartment, city and water views and has been told to expect a sale price lower than his buy price of several years ago. Just like shares it all depends on your entry and exit points.

Robots, I expect more retort about this, why so subdued.

 

[doctorj]

Why would you state that unless it was ill placed attempt to demean anyone in the trade while trying to elevate yourself.

In any case, this is semantics and has very little do with why house prices will or won't rise for years. On topic please!

 

[robots]

Just talking to a neighbor who is selling a blue chip apartment, city and water views and has been told to expect a sale price lower than his buy price of several years ago. Just like shares it all depends on your entry and exit points.

hello Satanoperca,

just taking it easy brother, its all just as 5 of us predicted

hope all's well, lots of ads on the radio for Docklands at the moment

did he/she buy "off the plan", cant see Docklands doing much for 20yrs and Southbank is booming now

wanna c some Tradesman/Craftsman SBS NOW, religion/cult pays

thankyou
professor robots

 

[satanoperca]

Hi Robots,

No purchased 4 years ago. I agree, South bank took a real dive for many years and is now doing well. The docklands will take many more years to develop and mature before prices start to reflect what it truly offers.

I still believe it is underrated, but what I believe and what the market is willing to pay are two different things.

Another example. BR bath 2 Cars off the plan 2001 $680,000 sold 2009 September $720,000. But that is just how it goes.

It doesn't help that the banks require a minimum of 20% deposit to purchase in the Docks.

The one thing it has not got at the moments is the eateries, pubs and cafés like you see in Carlton, St Gilda, Fitzroy etc.

I hope Kincella has not been scared off by the bar brawl the other day, even though he can waffle a bit, there are some tasty bits in his regular sprawls

 

[robots]

hello,

interesting that MAb, the pioneers of Docklands are now going with Low-Rise villages on one of their sites abutting "premium" townhouses

and with this "village" to have approximately 100 units for "low-cost" housing groups, group currently in discussion to buy 100

*must disclose that i have/and do work for MAb

Mirvac also constructing Low-Rise development right now

the bars/restaurants have come and gone pretty much at Docklands, a lot of businesses have set up there, where it goes have to wait and see

what does it offer?

thankyou
professor robots

 

[MrBurns]

Had lunch with an old mate today reckons he's now worth about $23M

All through buying and holding commercial property for about 20 years.

Not a bad pay off.

 

[satanoperca]

what does it offer?

Water ways, water views, boat habours, city views, next to the city, shops etc.

I think you will find that the low rise developments were part of the planning conditions that the developers took on.

Better than Sydney and much cheaper.

 

[robots]

Had lunch with an old mate today reckons he's now worth about $23M

All through buying and holding commercial property for about 20 years.

Not a bad pay off.

hello,

hope his wife doesnt take him to the cleaners

thankyou
professor robots

 

[MrBurns]

hello,

hope his wife doesnt take him to the cleaners

thankyou
professor robots

She turned up late, lovely girl no chance of that.

Burns.....

 

[nunthewiser]

has removed last post as it was in response to an off topic post and thought it would be more satisfying if i removed it before anyone else did

as you were with this on topic discussion