Well done, you have a plan that has worked in the past and hopefully works for you again.I got my property when its was 3x earning I wait till the cycle return to 3-4 times then get some moremean while just ignore the noise and the bull and bear
Permabears ?
Jumping for joy ?
Nothing personal, but not too much poetic licence I hope?Im giggling so hard
Well done, you have a plan that has worked in the past and hopefully works for you again.
Personally I don't see the point in selling positively geared property, and not a single bear argument yet has touched on anything like a real world scenario, apart from the broad assumption that most property is a "median" value, owned by single income average income earners and almost all have been bought in the last 12 months.
Amazing that after 3+ years and 3 seperate threads, the permabears are jumping for joy at a single quarter of negative growth.
This thread is about capital depreciation ie house price falls. Why buy today and be negatively geared/heading for negative equity, when you can onstead buy in the future for far less and be positively geared and in postive equity?In the meantime, how many properties have become positively geared, noting on this day the RBA are likely to cut rates again? .
If you bought years ago, then you might not feel the pinch. However, put yourselves in Mr and Mrs Speculator who bought 1 year ago in Perth and now are in negative equity. With deflation and job losses looming, expect interest rate cuts to be more than offset by decreases in rental income. They will be seriously negativly geared.Holding an asset for 20+ years, positively geared, and we're supposed to be worried about a single quarter of negative growth (although many suburbs still appreciated during the quarter)? Okay then...
Well done, you have a plan that has worked in the past and hopefully works for you again.
Personally I don't see the point in selling positively geared property.
and not a single bear argument yet has touched on anything like a real world scenario.
apart from the broad assumption that most property is a "median" value, owned by single income average income earners and almost all have been bought in the last 12 months.
Nope wasn't me. Was that thread only one year ago, or was the stagnate thread the 3 year tale? Either way, we have a long way to go before this is proved correct.Hey Mofra, didn't you start the 'house prices to rise for years thread? Is it still around? Instead, you should have called it 'house prices to rise for one more year'
Once a RE trend is established, it runs for many quarters. Look to booms/ busts in this country and abroad. There are many current examples. RE prices don't spin on a dime like stock prices.
Wait, are you using past performance to predict the likelyhood of a trend following?Investing 101: Past performance is no guarantee to future performance.
I wouldn't buy today, unless the deal was exceptional. Far more value in equities, just waiting for the smoke to clear.This thread is about capital depreciation ie house price falls. Why buy today and be negatively geared/heading for negative equity, when you can onstead buy in the future for far less and be positively geared and in postive equity?
This is where we differ. I don't believe there will be decreases in rental income in areas close to the CBD and with access to infrastructure/public transport. By the way, is this an example of circumstances actually being different for different investors?If you bought years ago, then you might not feel the pinch. However, put yourselves in Mr and Mrs Speculator who bought 1 year ago in Perth and now are in negative equity. With deflation and job losses looming, expect interest rate cuts to be more than offset by decreases in rental income. They will be seriously negativly geared.
Unless you're a bear apparentlyInvesting 101: Past performance is no guarantee to future performance.
Congratulations. If you're happy with the sale, it is certainly not a mistake. The sleep factor is (arguably) the most important factor in any investment.Err...I did many months ago...and could now buy back cheaper if i wanted to and be even more postively geared. Did I make a mistake?
Yep - triggering a huge captial gains event, adding in the acquisition costs on re-entry, the value you place on your time in selling, all part of the maths.It's all about getting the best returms at a particular moment in time. Property speculators foolishly think that an extra hundred taxable bucks a month in their pockets can offset tens of thousands of unrealised capital losses a year.
It's all in the maths. You can either do it or you can't.
Yep - triggering a huge captial gains event, adding in the acquisition costs on re-entry, the value you place on your time in selling, all part of the maths.
Ah pragmatism... the surest way to financial success over the longer term.This was foremost in my mind (and excel spreadsheet), however I took the view that buying/selling costs can be offset by purchasing far below market value during a property market recession. Just have to be ruthless when the time is right.
Yup - amazing what can be discussed when the trolls are away, and people are honest & civil (the occasional joking aside of courseps...good to have decent discussion Moffie.
So what's everyone think about rents and vacancy rates in the inner/middle ring of Sydney? Rents still seem to be rising and supply seems tight - is this going to continue or is everyone going to start living 6 to a room because they've got no jobs? With little new supply coming in aren't all the home sellers going to have to turn around and compete to rent them back from whoever bought them off them?
I have no idea what that really means, but I'm pretty sure that's the title of a movie I once saw that I wouldn't show the kidsbut you should bet against a rising phallus of strength.
Genuine question - what is the lowest they expect *real* mortgage rates to go here? Not RBA..
Our UK friends sure are having trouble lowering the rates to the borrowers. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/money/property_and_mortgages/article5076547.ece
US Banks aren't passing on the rate drops to the customer. ..
So what happens here? I'm thinking 7% fixed may be it, variable may float down a little under 7% for a while, but that will only be so long as the economy is seen as "distressed".
As a potential borrower, while 5-6% real mortgage rates would be nice, reckon there is snowball chance of it happening.
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