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Great thread idea Pomm.
I like to look at big pictures. The last bad down turn was 1929 (The Crash) However those times began some years before.
To cut a long story short, and probably get into trouble for oversimplification, this is my take.
Germany went to the wall as the US is now doing in 1924. The crash of 29 on the world stock markets contined till about 1933. The collateral damage to life for ordinary citizens played out over 30 years. It is the effect on ordinary people that will have its say on real estate.
There is no doubt that real estate probably had fair value comensurate with living standards in the 1990's. Since then we followed the US with cheap money and it got right out of hand. Of course in correcting down the pendulum will probably go beyond the pale to the rediculous. However if many are put out of work due to food, oil and financial problems the pale could be ok too.
Anyway, just a few cents on a coupla reds, for Sunday celebration time of course with the Papa here and all.
The cities are way too over developed and we need a constant flow of immigrant workers to support it. The question is, will the government put a stop to this short term profiteering and encourage a more sustainable society?
The direction we are going does not look like we are lowering housing demand, it is an increasing of supply.
There is no doubt that real estate probably had fair value comensurate with living standards in the 1990's. Since then we followed the US with cheap money and it got right out of hand.
Agree with this ... if there is a correction that level of affordability and growth was sustainable.
Darn cheap money ... the fed seems to have been overcompensating with it ever since the tech crash and 911.
With today's news from Residex, that there have been widespread falls across Australia, I believe this thread is now appropriate. I therefore request that the 'House prices to keep rising for years' thread be closed, due to the fallacy of it's title.
The thread you refer to was opened on 14th-February-2008, not even six months ago. Are you making a prediction?
If we waited for trends to be established, as in when viewing stocks, we would be waiting until 2010 to say that the trend is down. Real Estate is different to stocks in that when the worm starts turning, it stays turned for a while.
One agency director, who asked to have his name withheld, told The Age that agents who were not regularly making sales — and paying back their retainer — could expect to find themselves out of a job within months.
And the floodgates have started on this thread already..
I'm crying crocodile tears...
http://www.theage.com.au/national/bear-market-to-sink-its-claws-into-agents-jobs-20080713-3ej9.html
Can imagine this is going to have an impact on bringing sale price expectations down as well in slower areas. If your job is under threat and sales are low for the month, agents aren't going to be pressing buyers for high prices.
Interesting they use the word hesitate... given they themselves are one of the biggest land-bankers in the countryIve noticed desperation in the sales adverts, as an example Stockland in the weekend bulletin preaching how those who hesitate lose money,
I guess its too late for the money renters who bought last year, they are toast and will probably never recoup their investement in their entire lives .......
The Chindia will save us theory seems to be running awfully thin .......
I notice the amount of RE forsale in Queensland is treble of what it was this time last year and the flood gates are only beginning to open ......
Ive noticed desperation in the sales adverts, as an example Stockland in the weekend bulletin preaching how those who hesitate lose money, those who boughht (land) in 1996 are now 300k better off (haha) , buy now buy now, it almost reads like begging, lala .....
Anyways, any of the regulars here at ASF would of known well in advance of what was coming and why it was coming and positioned accordingly so I imagine its happy days for most asfers .....
Credit is the ultimate fundamental baby ....
Enjoy the negative feedback loop folks ...
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