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Saudi Arabia, an ISIS That Has Made It​


Black Daesh, white Daesh. The former slits throats, kills, stones, cuts off hands, destroys humanity’s common heritage and despises archaeology, women and non-Muslims. The latter is better dressed and neater but does the same things. The Islamic State; Saudi Arabia. In its struggle against terrorism, the West wages war on one, but shakes hands with the other. This is a mechanism of denial, and denial has a price: preserving the famous strategic alliance with Saudi Arabia at the risk of forgetting that the kingdom also relies on an alliance with a religious clergy that produces, legitimizes, spreads, preaches and defends Wahhabism, the ultra-puritanical form of Islam that Daesh feeds on.

Wahhabism, a messianic radicalism that arose in the 18th century, hopes to restore a fantasized caliphate centered on a desert, a sacred book, and two holy sites, Mecca and Medina. Born in massacre and blood, it manifests itself in a surreal relationship with women, a prohibition against non-Muslims treading on sacred territory, and ferocious religious laws. That translates into an obsessive hatred of imagery and representation and therefore art, but also of the body, nakedness and freedom. Saudi Arabia is a Daesh that has made it.

The West’s denial regarding Saudi Arabia is striking: It salutes the theocracy as its ally but pretends not to notice that it is the world’s chief ideological sponsor of Islamist culture. The younger generations of radicals in the so-called Arab world were not born jihadists. They were suckled in the bosom of Fatwa Valley, a kind of Islamist Vatican with a vast industry that produces theologians, religious laws, books, and aggressive editorial policies and media campaigns
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WikiLeaks cables portray Saudi Arabia as a cash machine for terrorists
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Saudi Arabia is the world's largest source of funds for Islamist militant groups such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba – but the Saudi government is reluctant to stem the flow of money, according to Hillary Clinton.

"More needs to be done since Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaida, the Taliban, LeT and other terrorist groups," says a secret December 2009 paper signed by the US secretary of state. Her memo urged US diplomats to redouble their efforts to stop Gulf money reaching extremists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

"Donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide," she said.

Three other Arab countries are listed as sources of militant money: Qatar, Kuwait and the United Arab Emirates.

The cables highlight an often ignored factor in the Pakistani and Afghan conflicts: that the violence is partly bankrolled by rich, conservative donors across the Arabian Sea whose governments do little to stop them.

The problem is particularly acute in Saudi Arabia, where militants soliciting funds slip into the country disguised as holy pilgrims, set up front companies to launder funds and receive money from government-sanctioned charities.
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Tisme said:
We're a nation, so we collectively share the spit and spoils. That's why separatists like Muslims grate on our psyche: we are by and large a good nation with good citizenry.

Many of my friends don't agree with my arguments, but they are still friends. If they turned up at the door selling Islam, Amway or any of those other highly disagreeable products I would probably make myself absent for a time, to give them time to come to their senses. I would suggest you must be of good character to put up with the ratbag element here, which of cause includes everyone except me, myself and I.
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Aren't all Man brothers? It's quite literal in a Biblical sense isn't it?

Australia is a great country with good people. Even its racists are patriotic for the right reasons. So what's not to like?

I mean, some might have too much anger and weren't brought up right, but the vast majority of what we'd call a racist or anti-Islam/Muslim... xenophobic I guess... they "dislike" others for the right reasons - just they got their facts wrong. Can't fault people for that.

If a person believe that Islam is the root of evil, a death cult; If they believe Islam followers are therefore terrorists out to destroy the world, subjugate women, intolerant towards others, are funding terrorists with their Halal, hates democracy etc.... well those are good reasons to hate something. IF the facts proves true.

If they dislike refugees or welfare recipients thinking refugees are here to one day cause terrorism or otherwise just leech off the country's generosity; or that all welfare recipients are parasites and cheats and draining the national treasury... Those are good reasons, and good people would dislike such things.

IF the reasons are genuine; if they honestly dislike refugees and welfare for such reason... what is to hate about such people?

So we try to bring them the facts, make the case. And if they listen and think about it... if it makes sense to them, minds might change.. the heart would have already been in the right place.

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What I don't like are those psychotic, amoral "statesman" who willingly work with and do deals with tyrants and dictators and terrorists.. all as long as it serve their interests. Then turn around and give liberal speeches about morality and freedom and stuff.

And I don't like them farkers who put their people, and the world, in danger... Then when danger and death hits home, use those death to further their own political objectives.

Then those well spoken, well paid, well dressed and well titled prostitutes who know better but sell out their own conscience for a few silver coins - and in the process selling out their country and their people.

Anyway...
 
SirRumpole said:
It's a matter of how you sort the good from the bad.

You can wait until someone goes on a killing rampage or you can take some preventative action, collect intelligence, and don't let the potential enemy get too strong or too numerous.
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There are no Pre-Crime Unit so yea, we'd have to wait until a crime has taken place or is in the process of taking place to find the perpetrator guilty and execute them or something.

Or we can build concentration camps; or use drones and blow up people we think are terrorists then define terrorist are someone who also say bad stuff about us and who we think is an imminent danger to our safety then define "imminent" as "maybe, one day, in the future some day" they'd do something, maybe...

One will create a few unhappy people and break all kind of constitutional argle bargle, maybe push aside a few treasured value and sense of justice; the others is to keep doing what we do and blame them for being so sensitive about us sending our troops overseas liberating their people and maybe a relative or two of theirs.

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I'm guessing there are profilers and agents we got all over the usual suspects and their friends place. But no matter how much metadata you collect or spies you got out there... we can't be successful and caught all of them all of the time.

Maybe 15 years so far isn't that clear; but then if we count British imperialism in the ME it'd be some 200 years... maybe one ought to conclude that if the aim is to win, more bombs and deadlier police and higher security won't win us this war.

We're definitely not going to lose to the terrorists, and not to any ME countries. BUt this war might break national unity; drain a lot of money towards "securing" everything around and inside our borders and give our masters of war unlimited power and resource to go offshore and take the fights to them enemies everywhere there somewhere.

With these, we might not have enough to educate the kids properly; they might become xenophobic idiots hating and fearing each other; and abroad not making too many friends with the countries we operates in; and to put the cherry on top, tick off a nuclear power, driving it into the arms of another nuclear power - but one that's been growing, resting and making friends all over the place with real money.
 
luutzu said:
I'm guessing there are profilers and agents we got all over the usual suspects and their friends place. But no matter how much metadata you collect or spies you got out there... we can't be successful and caught all of them all of the time.

Maybe 15 years so far isn't that clear; but then if we count British imperialism in the ME it'd be some 200 years... maybe one ought to conclude that if the aim is to win, more bombs and deadlier police and higher security won't win us this war.

We're definitely not going to lose to the terrorists, and not to any ME countries. BUt this war might break national unity; drain a lot of money towards "securing" everything around and inside our borders and give our masters of war unlimited power and resource to go offshore and take the fights to them enemies everywhere there somewhere.

With these, we might not have enough to educate the kids properly; they might become xenophobic idiots hating and fearing each other; and abroad not making too many friends with the countries we operates in; and to put the cherry on top, tick off a nuclear power, driving it into the arms of another nuclear power - but one that's been growing, resting and making friends all over the place with real money.
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All good reason not to accept the seed of future problem in a country which is economically going fast against a wall, this way we will be able to send people to uni so that theyu can discuss good leftist theory, and live in lalaland.
something which worries me today Luutzu:
based on your dedication to portrait any muslim as a saint and refugees as the future of Australia (how lucky these Germans must feel):
I am worried by and I quote your use of:"So we try to bring them the facts, make the case. And if they listen and think about it... if it makes sense to them, minds might change.. "
"WE" that would explain a lot: why be an individual free spirit and use logical and cartesian thinking when you can follow a party, an organisation or just an employer...We???? aka the Saudis? the Islam council ? The "green"?
We? The fews blessed by the light? I would be disappointed but that would explain your dedication
 
Ruskies Isis and Turkey:






Another Vietnam?
 
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qldfrog said:
All good reason not to accept the seed of future problem in a country which is economically going fast against a wall, this way we will be able to send people to uni so that theyu can discuss good leftist theory, and live in lalaland.
something which worries me today Luutzu:
based on your dedication to portrait any muslim as a saint and refugees as the future of Australia (how lucky these Germans must feel):
I am worried by and I quote your use of:"So we try to bring them the facts, make the case. And if they listen and think about it... if it makes sense to them, minds might change.. "
"WE" that would explain a lot: why be an individual free spirit and use logical and cartesian thinking when you can follow a party, an organisation or just an employer...We???? aka the Saudis? the Islam council ? The "green"?
We? The fews blessed by the light? I would be disappointed but that would explain your dedication
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It's Leftist dreaming in lalaland that make Western democracies what it was, and somewhat still is.
You're not going to tell me the Capitalists voluntarily went ahead with such nonsense as prohibiting child labour, work safety, equal rights, voting for women and the Coloured people; or want to provide social security/welfare so the poor can have a chance, or those citizens in dire strait won't spiral down towards homelessness.

Look at what happen when the NeoCons and their market is king, invisible hand economics take over some 40 years ago. Every man for himself; the rich got rich because they're talented and work hard; the poor got poor because they're lazy and stay poor because they take drugs... not at all because their wages were freezed or declined even though their productivity goes up; not because public funding were cut; or that both parents need to work a couple jobs each to make ends meet...

When everything that's worth selling the gov't sells. Smart move selling monopolies and infrastructure all citizens depends on.

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I never said all Muslims are saints, or all Muslims or all any group are one way or another.

I never said refugees are the future of any country. I said that from the little I do read into it, it has been shown that refugees, after an average of some 10 to 20 years, make a positive contribution to the country that took them in. Before those tangible, measurable benefits kicks in, they benefit by doing jobs most citizens don't want to do, getting paid at rates people don't want to be paid at.

And yes, Germany is benefiting from their recent refugee intake. I saw an interview where an economist said Germany still have a manufacturing base, its population is aging and new refugees and low wages are a welcoming economic boost. Countries like the US, and I guess Australia, have less of any manufacturing so their generosity towards refugees are a lot less.

It's a bit much to blame refugees for our economic woes when we see big corporations paying practically nothing on their profits.

And why would refugees more likely than any other group to become terrorists? Because they're Muslims? They just escaped from war and terrorists, who in their right mind would then risk or throw all the potentials, the peace and security their family had just been given and commit terrorism?

I use "we" because using "I" would be presumptuous. That and I don't do anything but sit on my behind all day; that and all these stuff I write I learn from other much smarter people than myself. So it's more honest to use "we" rather than I. But no, I don't belong to any political party, not even the Greens.
 
how can this love of refugees (not to say illegal immigrants) be compatible with the anticapitalist view is beyond me and a sign of profund ignorance of the reality..
Wild capitalism is the only winner of uncontrolled borders.
Last week end elections in France are showing to the left what the real grassroot struggling class feel and is subjected by migration AND mate's capitalism.
Voters for the far right are not your typical liberals members and the far right there is the main party for youngest voters.
Of course this party policies are rubbish, there is no way back for Europe but still better than the corrupt duopoly in place and that party has a clear position on migration.
Better dying fighting than enslaved
 
qldfrog said:
how can this love of refugees (not to say illegal immigrants) be compatible with the anticapitalist view is beyond me and a sign of profund ignorance of the reality..
Wild capitalism is the only winner of uncontrolled borders.
Last week end elections in France are showing to the left what the real grassroot struggling class feel and is subjected by migration AND mate's capitalism.
Voters for the far right are not your typical liberals members and the far right there is the main party for youngest voters.
Of course this party policies are rubbish, there is no way back for Europe but still better than the corrupt duopoly in place and that party has a clear position on migration.
Better dying fighting than enslaved
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Who's proposing wild uncontrolled borders? Not me.

Refugees are vetted. Process takes up to two years. They have to be found to be genuine refugees, and we should all know those tests aren't "just tell us you're scared of the bombs over your head" kind of evidence right?

We shouldn't talk about us being humane, us being liberators, us being good people... when we tell those seeking refuge to shove off and go back to where they came from because we can't be asked to check their stories, can't take the chance that one day they might turn out to be bad people or terrorists.

Should we talk about us being liberal, us caring for one another, us being united as a people... then wouldn't mind if welfare are cut, social services to the needy among us cut... all just in case those "parasites" abuse it, and if not parasites, then they ought to know it's every man for himself.

There's a little party in Germany during the 1930s and 40s that think the same way. And they got their chance at power to carry out many of those policies too. Jews? Look at their funny nose and blah blah. Disabled people? Mental handicap people? Gays? Well they didn't want their great society to be eating away by such parasites and obviously evil people did they?
 
dutchie said:
Clover Moore (Mayoress of Sydney City) shows how out of touch she is....

Sydney siege ‘wasn’t terrorist event’, Lord Mayor Clover Moore says

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...lover-moore-says/story-fni0xqrc-1227645786544
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Not good form to offend our guests, it's just not cricket. I'm sure if we were seeking refuge in ISISland and drawing on their social services, building churches and wearing our national uniform, they too would be reluctant to label us because of the barbaric and devious actions of one, two, a few hundred expats?
 
Germany shuts down mosque over ‘ISIS sponsoring & recruiting’​

German authorities have raided and shut down a mosque in Stuttgart on grounds of promoting violence and raising money for terrorist organizations such as Islamic State militants. Authorities said that some of its parishioners traveled to fight for IS to Syria.

Police raided a mosque and cultural center called the Islamic Educational and Cultural Center Mesdschid Sahabe (MSM) in the southwestern city of Stuttgart on Thursday. Computers, data storage devices, smartphones, documents were seized, while the center was closed, said Reinhold Gall, the interior minister of Baden-Wurttemberg state.

"The association supports, in the form of the so-called Islamic State, an Islamist group that carries out religiously-motivated attacks against persons and property," he said as quoted by AFP.

Known Salafists and fundamentalist Islamists most of them from western Balkans have been frequent visitors of the mosque, he added. Ten people have travelled to Syria to fight for IS after visiting the center while three of them have since died, he said.

"Through the association, donations have been collected for terrorist groups and fighters recruited for the conflict in Syria. In addition, the association and its members glorify jihad and religiously motivated terrorism," he said. "We do not tolerate associations that advocate the use of violence to promote religious concerns and collect donations for terrorist groups."

The mosque and center was previously raided by police in March to gather evidence.

On Wednesday, Germany introduced a new special unit consisting of some 250 officers to counter terrorism threat.

"The danger in Germany from international terrorism is high, as it is across Europe," Interior Minister Thomas de Maiziere told reporters. "It was high, it is high, and it will remain high for the foreseeable future."
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Two arrested in Sydney counter-terrorism raids, Woolloomooloo naval base among locations discussed​


Two men have been arrested in counter-terrorism raids in Sydney after police thwarted what they say were plots to attack locations including a naval base and police headquarters.

Abdullah Salihy, 24, was arrested at Memorial Avenue in Merrylands and Mohammad Alamouie, 20, was arrested in Bankstown.

Salihy has been charged with knowingly collecting or making documents connected with terrorism.

He did not apply for bail when he appeared at Parramatta Local Court.

Alamouie also appeared at Parramatta Local Court and also did not apply for bail, but NSW Police have not confirmed what he was charged with.

Magistrate Carl Milovanovich formally refused bail to both men, with Alamouie set to appear at Central Local Court on January 20, 2016 and Salihy due to appear on March 2, 2016.

Deputy NSW Police Commissioner Catherine Burn said there was no specific threat to the community but that a naval base was among the locations the suspects had discussed.

"In there, Woolloomooloo naval base was one of the locations that were discussed, but there wasn't a specific place identified," Deputy Commissioner Burn said.

She said the police investigation disrupted the planned terrorism plot.
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Is anyone surprised of the names?
 
DB008 said:
Two arrested in Sydney counter-terrorism raids, Woolloomooloo naval base among locations discussed​





Is anyone surprised of the names?
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Yeah Serbian extraction beak dealing with Muslims ... that can't be good for the terrorists.:D
 
Well, looks like Germany (and much of Europe), is in the poo-poo.


I think in 10 - 20 years time, Germany won't be the country that we see it as today.



Germany manhunt for 12 people who entered country on same stolen passports as Paris attackers​

A manhunt has been launched in Germany for 12 people who used fake Syrian passports to enter the country and then disappeared, according to a report in a German tabloid.

The documentation is believed to have been taken by ISIS when they captured the Syrian city of Raqqa in 2013 and supplied to migrants by the same source as those used by two of the Paris attackers, the Bild newspaper claimed.

It follows last week’s arrests by Austrian police of two people suspected of having links to the Paris attacks at a refugee shelter in Salzburg.

The country’s biggest newspaper the Kronen Zeitung claimed the suspects were French and had entered Europe via Greece with ISIS militants who later carried out the Paris attacks, using forged Syrian passports.

At least two of the men who are believed to have carried out the attack on the French capital remain on the run, including Salah Abdeslam. The 26-year-old French national born in Brussels has been identified as a key suspect is the subject of a massive police manhunt in Belgium and beyond.
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