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Has the 100 year Jihad (war) begun ... ???

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SirRumpole said:
He was clearly influenced by Islamist dogma, so in that sense he was an Islamic terrorist. Fortunately he wasn't particularly clever or organised so he wasn't very effective. A number of hostages escaped so clearly he didn't have a cohesive plan and it seemed he acted alone.

The situation he generated could have been worse, but it was bad enough for those who were killed.

The disturbing and unanswered question is "how many more like him" ?
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When those 600 odd AFP made that raid some months ago, there were at least 200 Muslims protestors in the streets and you can bet your boots the AFP would have them well photographed.

I thought at the time it was a good ploy by the AFP to drag them out of the wood work and it worked so well.....they received the desired affect......I did make a comment when it happened.
 
Julia said:
Rather that - like most terrorists - he was driven by his fanatical obsession with his version of Islam.
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I wonder what the borderline between mentally ill or just bad is ?

If someone is so affected by ideology that they don't understand that what they are doing is evil because they truly believe they are doing God's will, are they mentally ill ?

Richard Dawkins thinks that having a religion is akin to mental illness, so surely all terrorists are insane according to him and should be treated in mental hospitals not prisons.

If they then discard that ideology and realise they have done wrong, are they then cured ?
 
So_Cynical said:
I don't think someone acting on their own can genuinely be called a terrorist, he didn't even have an IS flag, a bomb or decent weapon...what he did have was a proven criminal history and clear signs of delusion and mental illness.

This whole thing is a bit of a beat up...the guy is a nut pure and simple.

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Scary how a guy in a bathrobe, talking from his bedroom makes more sense than most professionals in the media.

There's an SMH article the day after the tragedy where the journalist there was saying how on the streets near the scene, people are calm and the police and security people know what they're doing... but the further away from the scene, the more freaked out politicians and most media commentators are.

It's a bit wrong that when we people see something like this, not sure what it is exactly, not sure what to make of it so we turn to our leadership and the media for information and thoughts... but when we turn to them they go "BOOO! If you're not scared, you should be!"
 
noco said:
When those 600 odd AFP made that raid some months ago, there were at least 200 Muslims protestors in the streets and you can bet your boots the AFP would have them well photographed.

I thought at the time it was a good ploy by the AFP to drag them out of the wood work and it worked so well.....they received the desired affect......I did make a comment when it happened.
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Sure a good idea, but with all those beards can they tell one from the other ?

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Calliope said:
I don't think he is a pure and simple nut. He was an Islamic jihadist nut. I know that you, like many posters, are desperately trying to to separate his terrorism from the Islamic faith. Why? It's a futile exercise. What happened to your cynicism? Has it been replaced by naivety?
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Did you get this heated when Martin Bryant and Port Arthur happen?

The dude is White. Should we blame his "Whiteness" and by association, all White people?

He was Tasmanian. Should we barred all Tasmanians from the mainland?

He, according to Wikipedia, was assessed to be mentally ill, low IQ... what should we do with low-IQ, mentally ill people?

But that's different right?
 
So_Cynical said:
Fair chance the cops killed one of them, Coroners report will tell all...you guys are the Gullible.
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Even if that turns out to be the case, it was he who created the situation where such an event was likely to happen. Lay blame where blame is due.
 
luutzu said:
Did you get this heated when Martin Bryant and Port Arthur happen?

The dude is White. Should we blame his "Whiteness" and by association, all White people?

He was Tasmanian. Should we barred all Tasmanians from the mainland?

He, according to Wikipedia, was assessed to be mentally ill, low IQ... what should we do with low-IQ, mentally ill people?

But that's different right?
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What a silly argument. Being white or Tasmanian are not something one has a choice about, but adopting an extreme ideology is. No one is blaming all muslims for this, but the Islamic doctrine includes dogma that justifies horrific acts against others. Those who chose to cherry pick the doctrine and act on the vilest part of the doctrine are culpable for their actions.
 
bellenuit said:
What a silly argument. Being white or Tasmanian are not something one has a choice about, but adopting an extreme ideology is. No one is blaming all muslims for this, but the Islamic doctrine includes dogma that justifies horrific acts against others. Those who chose to cherry pick the doctrine and act on the vilest part of the doctrine are culpable for their actions.
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So he did this in the name of Islam?

What if someone were to do some crazy, criminal acts... and said they do it in your name. Or they know you and did it after meeting you... Should we blame you?

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Since when do you have to be a member of ISIS, to be an Islamic terrorist? There are many brands of Islamic terrorists, and yes it is possible to be a solo terrorist.

And the guys flag wasn't a fake flag, it had a genuine Islamic slogan on it, it just wasn't an Isis flag.
 
luutzu said:
So he did this in the name of Islam?

What if someone were to do some crazy, criminal acts... and said they do it in your name. Or they know you and did it after meeting you... Should we blame you?

Anyway...
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Again a silly argument. If I had been advocating others to do crazy criminal acts, then yes, I and he would be culpable if he did it in my name. But when that is not the case and there is nothing that I have ever said that should cause him to undertake such acts, then why would I be culpable?

But Islam is a doctrine, as you well know, that contains many passages demanding of its followers to commit the most vile and heinous acts on others; apostates, non-believers, followers of other faiths, homosexuals, adulterers etc. You are totally aware of these doctrines, as they have been brought to your attention many times in this and other threads. So if a follower of Islam commits such heinous acts in the name of Islam, then he and those who advocate following the extreme parts of that doctrine, as well as the author of that doctrine, whoever that may be, are culpable.
 
Value Collector said:
Since when do you have to be a member of ISIS, to be an Islamic terrorist? There are many brands of Islamic terrorists, and yes it is possible to be a solo terrorist.

And the guys flag wasn't a fake flag, it had a genuine Islamic slogan on it, it just wasn't an Isis flag.
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You don't have to. But if it's Islam or politics that drove him to do this, he'd done it back when he wrote those nasty letters to families of our servicemen.

So I'm not saying that his religion or politics has nothing to do with it, but maybe other factors play a bigger role here. Fact that he's a sociopath, has a deep and wide criminal background, that his High Court challenge failed, he's cornered... Then maybe he's too weak to take himself out so decided to go out some sort of hero. Who knows.

We seem to ignore these and focus on the fact that he's a Muslim, hates Western foreign policies and so he's waging Jihad.


If a Muslim jaywalk or litter or do something stupid and criminal, are we going to blame the Koran and Islam?

I, and I am sure most of us, don't attribute the good and bad things we do to our religion or our ethnicity... most of us would blame or praise our deeds on ourselves (or our parents depends on our moods), but we seem to have no issue blaming others' actions on their race or their religion.
 
bellenuit said:
Again a silly argument. If I had been advocating others to do crazy criminal acts, then yes, I and he would be culpable if he did it in my name. But when that is not the case and there is nothing that I have ever said that should cause him to undertake such acts, then why would I be culpable?

But Islam is a doctrine, as you well know, that contains many passages demanding of its followers to commit the most vile and heinous acts on others; apostates, non-believers, followers of other faiths, homosexuals, adulterers etc. You are totally aware of these doctrines, as they have been brought to your attention many times in this and other threads. So if a follower of Islam commits such heinous acts in the name of Islam, then he and those who advocate following the extreme parts of that doctrine, as well as the author of that doctrine, whoever that may be, are culpable.
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Islam is a religion, and like all religion there's a bunch of nonsense, a bunch of violent and idiotic superstition in there. And like all religion and religious texts, there are also good moral teachings in there as well.

You make it out like Islam is the only religion that advocate the worship of one true god; or the only religion that preaches and used and abused to wage wars and establish political doctrines and states.

Weren't the Crusades a series of Holy Wars? How did all of Europe and most of the world convert to Christianity? Through songs and dance over Christmas?
 
luutzu said:
Islam is a religion, and like all religion there's a bunch of nonsense, a bunch of violent and idiotic superstition in there. And like all religion and religious texts, there are also good moral teachings in there as well.
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I never claimed otherwise.

You make it out like Islam is the only religion that advocate the worship of one true god; or the only religion that preaches and used and abused to wage wars and establish political doctrines and states.
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No I don't. Read my posts. I am just as critical of Christianity.

Weren't the Crusades a series of Holy Wars? How did all of Europe and most of the world convert to Christianity?
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Yes they were. They were, in many cases, converted through heinous acts of violence made upon them.

Through songs and dance over Christmas?
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Perhaps some of the Kumbaya folk were converted this way.
 
So_Cynical said:
Killed 2 people hey, how do you know?
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We don't. Not withstanding the inaccuracy of the press in their excitement to get paper's out. this is a take from SMH:



In those final seconds, they killed Monis. But the barrister Katrina Dawson – mother of three, and Julie Taylor's coffee companion – was also killed in the firefight. Police believe it was Monis's bullet that killed her.

Injured in those final violent seconds were Marcia Mikhael, shot in the leg, the 75-year-old woman, shot in the shoulder, a 52-year-old woman who was shot in the foot, and a 39-year-old policeman whose face was sprayed with pellets

The only reference to shotgun spray is to a copper's face. I have to wonder how Monis managed to get off shotgun attempts and bullets at the same time.
 
So_Cynical said:
Fair chance the cops killed one of them, Coroners report will tell all...you guys are the Gullible.
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You say the whole thing was just a "beat-up". Others on this thread are saying similar things...but only out of ignorance. That doesn't apply in your case, you are not stupid. I suspect you are deliberately trolling.
 

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