Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

[Garpal Gumnut]

Ummmm ... what part are you agreeing with rederob? That Malcolm Turnbull will be replaced as LOTO or that Kevin Rudd has been caught with his hand inthe lollie jar and rederob's argument is so thin it only has one side?

Turnbull has duffed the attack and the defence. Going against a pm without evidence is a losers strategy. He also didn't give the biff to his backbenchers to shut up while he went for the jugular. He didn't control his party. So Rudd gets off. Plus he didn't go for the real target who could have been taken out a week ago, Swan, who with guile and skill could have been skewered.Swan is made of less stern stuff than the old Ruddmeister. I've no idea what the opposition will do. Costello or Abbott would be my preferred leaders.

gg

 

[Macquack]

We, the Australian people will soon tire of his smarmy, chameleon like charade and vote him and his corrupt, back slapping, bed wetting, nancy boys brigade clean out of office.

Trainspotter, Burns would be proud of you.

Now go do some real train spotting and report back when you actually see a train rather than when you hear some obscure noise in the distance.

 

[Calliope]

At this moment in time rederob in my opinion is correct and I would be interested in any arguments which would change my mind on this.

gg

When a chameleon changes colour it does so it in its own interests. It's not interested in argument.

Rederob on the other hand will never change colour. His ideology is set in concrete. Still, I enjoy having him around. He is Rudd's court jester. The irony is that he doesn't know that he is being funny.

And his antics help make my day. I get a kick out of taking the wind out of pompous, sanctimonious bores.

Rederob's hatred of the Opposition is obvious. I am sure that he wishes his Party could avenge themselves on the Opposition in the same manner as does that other hero of his...Mahmoud Ahmadinejab.

 

[trainspotter]

GG, has the press got to you as well? How the situation was handled by the Libs was massively below par on a performance scale. No question about this. Does this mean they were wrong in their attempt to political point score or just "smile and wave boys, just smile and wave" as the stagecoach was being held up? The evidence is right there for all to see. Rudd repeatedly stated that he NOR his department had made representations on Grant's behalf. Swan admitted in June that his department (Treasury) had made representations to assist Mr Grant "But I did not know the outcome". The end game is that Labor has got off with a !% increase in their preferred party status and the Libs will be left wandering aimlessly in the political wilderness searching for a backbone. Not Costello surely ! (See other thread for info)

Now Macquack ... YES, when I grow up I want to be just like Mr Burns. Inciteful dialogue and acerbic wit without attacking the ASFer is a style that I admire. Attack the perpetrators of the crime and not the opinionator.

 

[MrBurns]

Trainspotter, Burns would be proud of you.

Now go do some real train spotting and report back when you actually see a train rather than when you hear some obscure noise in the distance.

Yes well I do agree with Trainspotter but non of this argument matters a toss really, what really matters is that Rudds Labor Govt is harming Australians badly and there's nothing we can do about it.
Turnbull is a smart man obviously but doesn't seem to have enough mongrel in him to take on Rudd and expose him for what he is.

The Libs need someone in there who can bring this tosser into line and roll him at the next election.
What further harm he will do to all of us between now and then I hate to imagine.
The recession hasn't hit us properly yet but wait till China pull their horns in then it will be every man for himself and the first causalities will be the suckered in FHB.

 

[Julia]

Where is the judicial inquiry? Malcolm Turnbull called for it. Devoid of propaganda surely it would root out who is telling the truth.

Snake, the Auditor-General is due to report at the end of July.
I have no idea why it should take so long.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

When a chameleon changes colour it does so it in its own interests. It's not interested in argument.

Rederob on the other hand will never change colour. His ideology is set in concrete. Still, I enjoy having him around. He is Rudd's court jester. The irony is that he doesn't know that he is being funny.

And his antics help make my day. I get a kick out of taking the wind out of pompous, sanctimonious bores.

Rederob's hatred of the Opposition is obvious. I am sure that he wishes his Party could avenge themselves on the Opposition in the same manner as does that other hero of his...Mahmoud Ahmadinejab.

GG, has the press got to you as well? How the situation was handled by the Libs was massively below par on a performance scale. No question about this. Does this mean they were wrong in their attempt to political point score or just "smile and wave boys, just smile and wave" as the stagecoach was being held up? The evidence is right there for all to see. Rudd repeatedly stated that he NOR his department had made representations on Grant's behalf. Swan admitted in June that his department (Treasury) had made representations to assist Mr Grant "But I did not know the outcome". The end game is that Labor has got off with a !% increase in their preferred party status and the Libs will be left wandering aimlessly in the political wilderness searching for a backbone. Not Costello surely ! (See other thread for info)

Now Macquack ... YES, when I grow up I want to be just like Mr Burns. Inciteful dialogue and acerbic wit without attacking the ASFer is a style that I admire. Attack the perpetrators of the crime and not the opinionator.

Yes well I do agree with Trainspotter but non of this argument matters a toss really, what really matters is that Rudds Labor Govt is harming Australians badly and there's nothing we can do about it.
Turnbull is a smart man obviously but doesn't seem to have enough mongrel in him to take on Rudd and expose him for what he is.

The Libs need someone in there who can bring this tosser into line and roll him at the next election.
What further harm he will do to all of us between now and then I hate to imagine.
The recession hasn't hit us properly yet but wait till China pull their horns in then it will be every man for himself and the first causalities will be the suckered in FHB.

Read your Machiavelli comrades.

This has nothing to do with truth.

Its all about POWER.

You are arguing about the sky when the cyclone is ripping your roof off.

POWER

MACHIAVELLI.

gg

 

[Calliope]

Read your Machiavelli comrades.

This has nothing to do with truth.

Its all about POWER.

You are arguing about the sky when the cyclone is ripping your roof off.

POWER

MACHIAVELLI.

gg

Of course it's about power, we all know that. Rudd has the power, and he is also a nasty piece of work. Not unlike Mahmoud.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Of course it's about power, we all know that. Rudd has the power, and he is also a nasty piece of work. Not unlike Mahmoud.

I have a few mates who worked with Rudd in Goss' government and he is one mean sob.

He was called Dr.Death not because he cut budgets, but rather because he was a cold calculating bastard who nobody could develop a rapport with.

On speaking to some of my backbench Labor mates, this pattern is continuing.

Forget about the Liberals.

The ALP Caucus is **** scared of the Ruddmeister.

gg

 

[rederob]

Re: Where's the judicial inquiry?

Where is the judicial inquiry? Malcolm Turnbull called for it. Devoid of propaganda surely it would root out who is telling the truth.

The trolley boy is pushing another empty thought into a parked ute.
Devoid of substance he echoes his leader's now forlorn pleas for some justice: A judicial inquiry no less.
But into what?
Turnbull reeled off a list of issues as long as his windedness would allow. He was on a pure and simple fishing fishing trip. Baited with empty words and a burley attitude he cast his desires into the House time and again and managed only to foul his line before badly hooking himself.
Meanwhile Labor, in the Senate, realising Turnbull was bleeding, called for an inquiry into the mischievous hook.
What happened?
Well, you might think that Turnbull's aides might have wanted to get to the truth. But they knew the hook had been poisoned, and any injury would lead to subsequent complications. Whose hook was it? Who knew that it could land the tosser more heavily than the tossed?
They are all good questions.
But the Senate sided against an inquiry.
In that context, a move for a judicial inquiry looks superfluous, if not just plain silly.

But none of the above would cut to the truth of utegate.
That truth lies in the motivation of the perpetrator of the original email and the exceptionally well calculated estimation of Turnbull's character.

There are many ways to look more deeply at this point, but brevity is of the essence.

If we use "motive" as the driving force for utegate, then Labor will not have had a hand in the email. Hockey will be Turnbull's successor and Rudd fears him more than Turnbull.

If the Opposition was truly interested in finding the "source", they would have done so by now. My suspicion is they know, and they are not telling. Their objective is to win the next election. And as smooth and sartorial as Turnbull may be, he doesn't cut the numbers where they count. The Libs know an election with Turnbull as leader is, at best, a 49:51 bet, with Labor returned.

Presently the key reason that Opposition is failing is their inability to fight to their strength - economic management. With Costello out of the picture there is nobody capable of plucking the ugly duckling who has been allowed to turn into a Swan. And even if there was, Labor would replace him with Tanner.

Opposition strategists know that Hockey is what they need. Some very clever people within have toasted Turnbull's reign with a poison chalice. And true to form, he didn't sip, he swallowed - hook line and sinker.

 

[rederob]

I have no idea why it should take so long.

Your statement of the obvious is pure joy.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Re: Where's the judicial inquiry?

The trolley boy is pushing another empty thought into a parked ute.
Devoid of substance he echoes his leader's now forlorn pleas for some justice: A judicial inquiry no less.
But into what?
Turnbull reeled off a list of issues as long as his windedness would allow. He was on a pure and simple fishing fishing trip. Baited with empty words and a burley attitude he cast his desires into the House time and again and managed only to foul his line before badly hooking himself.
Meanwhile Labor, in the Senate, realising Turnbull was bleeding, called for an inquiry into the mischievous hook.
What happened?
Well, you might think that Turnbull's aides might have wanted to get to the truth. But they knew the hook had been poisoned, and any injury would lead to subsequent complications. Whose hook was it? Who knew that it could land the tosser more heavily than the tossed?
They are all good questions.
But the Senate sided against an inquiry.
In that context, a move for a judicial inquiry looks superfluous, if not just plain silly.

But none of the above would cut to the truth of utegate.
That truth lies in the motivation of the perpetrator of the original email and the exceptionally well calculated estimation of Turnbull's character.

There are many ways to look more deeply at this point, but brevity is of the essence.

If we use "motive" as the driving force for utegate, then Labor will not have had a hand in the email. Hockey will be Turnbull's successor and Rudd fears him more than Turnbull.

If the Opposition was truly interested in finding the "source", they would have done so by now. My suspicion is they know, and they are not telling. Their objective is to win the next election. And as smooth and sartorial as Turnbull may be, he doesn't cut the numbers where they count. The Libs know an election with Turnbull as leader is, at best, a 49:51 bet, with Labor returned.

Presently the key reason that Opposition is failing is their inability to fight to their strength - economic management. With Costello out of the picture there is nobody capable of plucking the ugly duckling who has been allowed to turn into a Swan. And even if there was, Labor would replace him with Tanner.

Opposition strategists know that Hockey is what they need. Some very clever people within have toasted Turnbull's reign with a poison chalice. And true to form, he didn't sip, he swallowed - hook line and sinker.

Agree mate.

But did you see that glorious moon last night on its way to full.

And the sound of the the sea with a southerly blowing.

And hear the laugh of a girl.

This is the small stuff, Rudd, Swan, Hockey. Abbott, Costello.

I believe you to be right on this issue.

gg

 

[trainspotter]

Sorry, will get back to you once the moon has reached it's zenith, the surf has stopped crashing and the wind has dropped and for my girl to stop laughing.

Small incident here that requires my attention. Will air my opinions on this matter once resolved. Normal transmission will continue.

By the way rederob, your attempts to enucleate the thread followers is working. You have managed to peck the eyes clean out of their skulls so they cannot see truth. On this matter I will request Fred Hollows to assist me to restore their sight and once again we will sabre rattle (read bang away at a keyboard) long into the night.

 

[Calliope]

Forget about the Liberals.

The ALP Caucus is **** scared of the Ruddmeister.

gg

The only one who is not scared of Rudd is Swan. If he told the truth he could destroy Rudd. With Tanner waiting in the wings, Rudd will have to devise a way to get rid of Swan, but still keep him quiet.

Tanner is getting anxious. He was critical of Turnbull for going for the big fish when he had Swan dead to rights for lying to parliament.

And by the way, don't think you appease Rederob by agreeing with him. He will despise you as being weak. You will notice he ignores people like Macquack.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

Sorry, will get back to you once the moon has reached it's zenith, the surf has stopped crashing and the wind has dropped and for my girl to stop laughing.

Small incident here that requires my attention. Will air my opinions on this matter once resolved. Normal transmission will continue.

By the way rederob, your attempts to enucleate the thread followers is working. You have managed to peck the eyes clean out of their skulls so they cannot see truth. On this matter I will request Fred Hollows to assist me to restore their sight and once again we will sabre rattle (read bang away at a keyboard) long into the night.

Agree mate,

I've had many a conversation with rederob., and it never comes to conclusion, perhaps we should shout him a root, on a rising moon, with a rising breeze of a warm night with a girl who can sing all of Eyna's best all at once.

gg

 

[kincella]

maybe PC needs to employ similar tactics............
my little maltese dog has a cunning ploy......when given a new toy...spends hours pulling the eyes out of her new fluffy toy......(hmmm hint for PC)
I believe its so they cannot see what nasty things she is about to do to them.....(another hint for PC)
like practising the severe head jerk, or throwing them with a full body jerk ....which would break a small animals neck, or back....if she ever got hold of a small animal...or carrying them in her mouth and racing at break neck speeds around the house..

so far I am looking at paying about $650 for an eye operation for her...she damaged her third eyelid, when attempting to kill the Duck, hit her head against the table leg....

 

[rederob]

Shoot the messenger....
Steve Lewis' article in today's Courier Mail has ever so kindly pointed to Labor campers that they were too slow to spin the web that has cocooned Turnbull.
Lewis was asked - or "challenged" as he prefers - to hand over the fake email by Harris, from Rudd's Office, several hours before the papers cranked themselves into their invidious blunder.
Although the Labor team had made clear there was no evidence that suggested Parliament was misled, Turnbull's media mates decided that Grech's possible "false" recollection was worth running strongly on.
Harris knew full well that the story deadline was just hours away, and is likely to have suggested to Lewis that it was not wise to run with: On this point Lewis does not elaborate other than to say the conversation was "civil".

It beggars belief that Lewis did not have this email (or a copy) many days earlier, and had an opportunity to test its veracity. We know this because for two weeks the media at Parliament House seemed to know that Turnbull was onto something; and it would be unusual if a confidential "leak" was not made.

Lewis was not only foolish to rely so heavily on something he could not authenticate, he was "played".

Charlton was onto Turnbull's antics immediately he lit up to clear his thoughts after Turnbull's fatherly advice to him about telling the truth, on the night of the Ball. For the next two days Charlton went over all paper and electronic trails relating to the matters that Turnbull had sought in great detail be revealed through a judicial inquiry.

Once Grech had given his testimony all Charlton's team had to do was a keyword search of what they had previously amassed, to determine the chance their advice to Rudd may have been flawed. If Lewis had handed over the email around 5pm, Rudd may have come out prior to the publishing deadlines with his statement - delivered at 7.30pm - that the email was unequivocally false.

Lewis had a loaded gun, didn't check his ammo, had a chance stay his execution, but pulled the trigger anyway. And after suffering great injury from the backfire, he has today chosen to again try and shoot the messenger. Little wonder we have little respect for journalists in Australia.

 

[Calliope]

Little wonder we have little respect for journalists in Australia.

By "we" I assume you mean the Labor Party, and by "journalists" I assume you mean News Limited journalists. It is significant that Rudd and Gillard are trying to start a witch hunt (they call it a debate) into the "ethics" of News Limited papers in their reporting of Rudd's and Swan's utegate special deals.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,25728292-13360,00.html

Courier-Mail editorial taday;

One problem with Mr Rudd's protests of innocence before the facts were out is that his media office has a reputation for slippery weasel words and outright falsehoods. At least twice, Mr Rudd's media staff have told journalists that certain things were not true when they were accurate. When this newspaper questioned Mr Rudd's office about alleged abuse of an RAAF stewardess by the Prime Minister, we were told it never happened. It was later revealed it did and Mr Rudd apologised. Before the 2007 election, it was claimed Mr Rudd and his office were complicit in staging a pretend Anzac dawn service for a breakfast TV program. Mr Rudd's office denied the claim and demanded retractions and apologies from one of our sister News Limited newspapers. Mr Rudd's denials were soon proven to be hollow – this time through legitimate emails. No wonder journalists take what Mr Rudd's office says with a shaker of salt.

We stand by our reporting of these matters. Does Mr Rudd stand by all of the statements from his spokesman over the past.

In other words, how can you trust a serial liar or his chief spin doctor Lachlan Harris. They also lied about the hair dryer hissy fit, and his smart alec comment after the George Bush phone call. Who can doubt that they lied about utegate?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

As I've said before all Politicians lie.

Its a given.

If they say a new runway will not open you can bet it will.

If they say a new dam will open you can be sure it won't.

You posters need to geta strategic view of politicians.

You are a boring set of losers reacting to events.

gg