Has Kevin Rudd misled parliament?

Macquack said:

Not nice Burns, the champion of loud mouthed self-adulating bufoons.

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Oh surely you can do better than that, I dont feel the least bit insulted.

Real estate agents irritate me too, there was a great sketch once in an English show, forgotten the name but the song went "We aresole agents for your property" and so on.

Goodness me ... get the kleenex ! This place has become sanitised at last. Meaningful debate instead of threatening insults ! Whale Oil Beef Hooked.

I reckon that Mr Grant had quite a bit more involvement with Herr Rudd and his pack of socialite hounds other than saying G'day over the fence. Afterall, he is his neighbour. If I lived next door to the PM of Banana Republic Land then I am damn sure I would make it my business to be his newest, bestest friend. Here mate, have a ute, here mate let me help you with your legal bills, here mate join our little Club 51.

I love it how these FACTS are so neatly swept under the carpet by the boys in the blue singlets. I can see John Grant making the phone call to the car yard dealer principal now. "Yeah mate, it's John here. Yeah, we are gonna give this bloke Kevin Rudd an $8,000 Hilux ute to use as a propaganda machine in this election thingy. What do we want for it? Nuffin my good man" BULLTWANG or this Nah, we was all born in 1951, that is why we have a club. So our precious members can be photographed in the "NO ACCESS" area of parliament. Ya got to be kidding me? And on and on it goes. YOU might think their is nothing there BUT we free thinking individuals know better.

Unless I am suffering from cerebral myopia and today is "opposite day" there is a stench about this man and his ideals of good governance. To treat the voting public as imbecilic sheep that can be hoodwinked with a few rhetoric questions about his guilt is surreal. "Now let me ask you this" before vaguely attempting to answer a question is Ship High In Transit speak. He has many more oft used quotes that mislead the direction of the interviewer and ultimately the mug punter in the street. We as children love a good magician, "Look Mummy, he pulled a shiny silver thingy out of his ear!" When we grow up we will soon discover that the magic is over and the conjurer known as Kevin 747 has left the building with the nights takings. Oh yeah, we are 200 billion in debt. Does this not startle anyone?

In Canberra an old priest lay dying in the hospital. For years he had
faithfully served the people of the nation's capital. He motioned for
his nurse to come near.

"Yes, Father?" said the nurse.

"I would really like to see Prime Minister and the Treasurer before I
die", whispered the priest.

"I'll see what I can do, Father", replied the nurse.

The nurse sent the request to Parliament and waited for a response.

Soon the word arrived; Prime Minister Kevin Rudd and Treasurer Wayne Swan
would be delighted to visit the priest.

As they went to the hospital, Kevin commented to Wayne, "I don't know why
the old priest wants to see us, but it will certainly will help our images
and might even get me re-elected Prime Minister. After all, I'm IN IT TO
WIN IT". Wayne agreed that it was a good thing.

When they arrived at the priest's room, the priest took Kevins hand in
his right hand and Waynes hand in his left.

There was silence and a look of serenity on the old priest's face.

Finally Kevin Rudd spoke.. "Father, of all the people you could have
chosen, why did you choose us to be with you as you near the end?"

The old priest slowly replied, "I have always tried to pattern my life
after our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

"Amen", said Kevin. "Amen", said Wayne.

The old priest continued, "Jesus died between two lying thieves;

I would like to do the same."


ps I dont know who the author was....but its just brilliant
I copied it for the joke forum...but could not resist it as appropriate for this thread...cheers

It's a joke ? Seemed realistic enough to me.

I know...I believe they are both rotten ...and liars

trainspotter said:

Goodness me ... get the kleenex ! This place has become sanitised at last. Meaningful debate instead of threatening insults

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He'll be back full of hate before long. At present, like a serial road-rager, he is watching his demerits.

Julia said:

No Rederob, that particular cliche doesn't apply in this context.

What Mr Milne was attempting to demonstrate was nothing more than the untruth of Mr Rudd's claim that he hardly knew Mr Grant.

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To begin
Milne's article made no such claim.
Milne's article showed that the 51 Club members met with Ripoll in Canberra, and were photographed at Parliament House, including with Rudd. The "secure area" references are a furphy in that very few areas are out of bounds when constituents are in the company of the PM or guests of MPs.
There is no evidence that Rudd is, was or even could be a member of the 51 Club, especially as he was not born in 1951.
While the average reader would work out quickly that Milne was simply trying to smear Rudd through inference, it appears that others choose realities that suit their beliefs.
Those issues aside, exactly what is the harm in being associated with a group that want to get together, share interests, and have a good time? The fact they may claim to have influence in the corridors of power is neither here nor there. As Rudd has never denied his knowledge of Grant nor his association with the 51 Club, and has the "ute" on the register of pecuniary interests, the Opposition and grubby journos like Milne are barking up the wrong tree by digging up these old bones.

rederob said:

To begin
Milne's article made no such claim.
Milne's article showed that the 51 Club members met with Ripoll in Canberra, and were photographed at Parliament House, including with Rudd. The "secure area" references are a furphy in that very few areas are out of bounds when constituents are in the company of the PM or guests of MPs.
There is no evidence that Rudd is, was or even could be a member of the 51 Club, especially as he was not born in 1951.
While the average reader would work out quickly that Milne was simply trying to smear Rudd through inference, it appears that others choose realities that suit their beliefs.
Those issues aside, exactly what is the harm in being associated with a group that want to get together, share interests, and have a good time? The fact they may claim to have influence in the corridors of power is neither here nor there. As Rudd has never denied his knowledge of Grant nor his association with the 51 Club, and has the "ute" on the register of pecuniary interests, the Opposition and grubby journos like Milne are barking up the wrong tree by digging up these old bones.

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Red mate I've had a fair bit to do with politicians Labor, Country Party (before they changed to Nats) and Liberals/coalition on my way to riches. I have also had a fair interaction with some media movers and shakers.

I find that parties and news organisations are loose associations of grubbers ready to forward their own agenda , at the expense of their party, constituents and readers. Without exception.

Its human nature.

Ripoll is a mate of Rudd and Grant. I'd never heard of Ripoll before he decided to front the Inquiry into Storm by the way.

Rudd could quite easily be a Liberal PM.

So don't get too distraught about it all.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

So don't get too distraught about it all.
gg

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Unsubstantiated claims may as well be lies.
There are some here that are very gullible, have woeful comprehension skills, and make statements that are little short of ludicrous, if not laughable to the extreme.
trainspotter was decent enough to fess up, but my suspicion is that others here are incapable of acknowledging they have been backing a duplicitous egocentric loser, and been sold a pup.

rederob said:

Unsubstantiated claims may as well be lies.
There are some here that are very gullible, have woeful comprehension skills, and make statements that are little short of ludicrous, if not laughable to the extreme.
trainspotter was decent enough to fess up, but my suspicion is that others here are incapable of acknowledging they have been backing a duplicitous egocentric loser, and been sold a pup.

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Thats a bit obtuse for me red, can you expand.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

Thats a bit obtuse for me red, can you expand.

gg

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For God's sake don't ask this clown to expand. He is so full of hot air that if he expands any more he will explode.

Calliope said:

For God's sake don't ask this clown to expand. He is so full of hot air that if he expands any more he will explode.

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No mate,

I'd still ask him to expand,

I find that folk with huge difference also have more in common than they have with the common woman or man.

I'd like to hear his comments and reasoning.

See the crusties and greenies thread for the last time I met RJH.

gg

For a split second there I was feeling the love in the room. Was also going to suggest we all hold hands and sing Kum Bah Ya !!! DOH !

Now .. down to the nitty gritty. Not wanting to sift through the previous posts in this thread, but I have a vague recollection that the reason Rudd was mentioned at the same time as the 51 Club was that he is actually a member. Don't believe me? Or am I telling porkies again?

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25658551-5018473,00.html

For the full story. Now this is not my opinion or a Liberal rant. Reported in The Australian of all places !! Who would have thunk it? A journalist reporting the truth? Never !!

I like that rederob has availed himself to report his side of the saga and we are the better for his input on the subject matter at hand. I also like that he has managed to categorise his beloved Labor leader in such a glowing phrase of "duplicitous egocentric loser". Magnificent prose of the first kind!

What you get when you see and hear Malcolm Turnbull is exactly that. Malcolm Turnbull. Turnbull graduated from Sydney University with a double degree in law and arts. He then studied law at Brasenose College, a constituent college of the University of Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar from 1978 to 1980. He studied for a Bachelor of Civil Law degree while at Oxford and then returned to Australia. In 1987, he established an investment banking firm, Whitlam Turnbull & Co Ltd in partnership with Neville Wran (former Labor Premier of New South Wales) and the former State Bank of NSW chief executive, Nicholas Whitlam (son of Gough Whitlam, former Labor Prime Minister of Australia). A Merchant Banker and a LAWYER AND he was in business with Laborites. MEIN GOTT! He chose to leave this career path and enter politics. Apparently he is worth 133 million dollars. Not too shabby. No unions or help. Self made.

Mr Rudd on the other hand joined the Labor party at 15 in 1972. Prior to entering Parliament in 1998, Mr Rudd worked as a diplomat, as a senior official in the Queensland Government. Mr Rudd gained his Bachelor of Arts (Asian Studies) degree with First Class Honours in 1981 from the Australian National University in Canberra. He served in the Australian embassy in Stockholm as Third Secretary and later in the embassy in Beijing as First Secretary. In 1988 Mr Rudd returned to Queensland to work as Chief of Staff to the Hon Wayne Goss, the Queensland Opposition Leader. Mr Rudd served in the Goss Government first as Chief of Staff to the Premier and later driving the Government’s reform program as Director General of the Cabinet Office, the central policy agency of the Queensland Government. So NO experience outside of government. ZERO experience in business. Never had one. His wife on the other hand is said to be worth ninety million dollars. How did she make all this money? Why, by having an employment agency that was helped set up by the Howard Government Job Network Programme.

So when the Pm says "Fair suck of the sauce bottle, mate" three times in an interview. Exactly what is he referring to?

By the way, what were those people from Club 51 doing in the "NO ACCESS" areas of parliament. Why was Kevin Rudd photographed with them? Why did they claim to have links to the "corridors of power"? It is just mind numbing to theorise as to how people cannot see the wood for the trees.

But wait there is more.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25725994-5018473,00.html

This is what I am talking about. The spin that extrudes from his mouth and the way that people like rederob fervently believe and hang off every word is similar to an Amway meeting or a christian revival group. I think Kevin Rudd should change his name to the Pied Piper. This way when he blows his flute only the children have to suffer and leaving the ADULTS to get on with running this country.

So many weeks later we still have a lost tribe following a conniving, vainglorious leader who refuses the sad truth that he was done like a dog's dinner.
Cocooned in his own web of deceit, he fails to land a blow on Rudd, and whimpers on to Swan in a pathetic attempt at redemption.
Serving the interests of the rich, and out of touch with the commoner, Turnbull is now trying to pull together what Party support he can in order to remain the Opposition Leader. Internal polling is showing that his Lathamesque qualities are going to be difficult to defend, while his gross error of judgement in Parliament's last weeks condemn him to ongoing ridicule on the floor of the House.
Not even a vat of Brasso can brighten Turnbull's tarnished image. He is in for the chop.... he's a dead man walking.... he's a liability....he's a goner!
Rudd never misled Parliament.
Bruno cannot be wrong!

rederob said:

So many weeks later we still have a lost tribe following a conniving, vainglorious leader who refuses the sad truth that he was done like a dog's dinner.
Cocooned in his own web of deceit, he fails to land a blow on Rudd, and whimpers on to Swan in a pathetic attempt at redemption.
Serving the interests of the rich, and out of touch with the commoner, Turnbull is now trying to pull together what Party support he can in order to remain the Opposition Leader. Internal polling is showing that his Lathamesque qualities are going to be difficult to defend, while his gross error of judgement in Parliament's last weeks condemn him to ongoing ridicule on the floor of the House.
Not even a vat of Brasso can brighten Turnbull's tarnished image. He is in for the chop.... he's a dead man walking.... he's a liability....he's a goner!
Rudd never misled Parliament.
Bruno cannot be wrong!

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Red I don't normally agree with you, but you are on the button mate.

gg

"Houston, we have a problem, rederob has scored a direct hit"

True, Mr Turnbull has not exactly ingratiated himself with the press on this matter who have rightly or wrongly decided that Rudd is the victor in this underhanded, cloak and dagger escapade that evidenced that the corridors of power are run by an elite group of Brisbane socialites. Or should that be socialists? What does a Prime Minister cost these days? Ohhhhh ... about an $8,000 Hilux ute would be my guess.

Interesting to note that the term "Lathamesque" was used in the retort. He certainly was the champion for the people. Rudd may have got off lightly thus far but the honeymoon will be over and like all good marriages the best part is to play the wedding video backwards. This way you can watch your wife take off the wedding ring, walk backwards out of the church and get in the car and just FERK OFF.

We, the Australian people will soon tire of his smarmy, chameleon like charade and vote him and his corrupt, back slapping, bed wetting, nancy boys brigade clean out of office.

Winners gets the spoils. Losers face the music. I can hear the band striking up for Malcolm as we type.

Re: Where's the judicial inquiry?

Where is the judicial inquiry? Malcolm Turnbull called for it. Devoid of propaganda surely it would root out who is telling the truth.

trainspotter said:

"Houston, we have a problem, rederob has scored a direct hit"

True, Mr Turnbull has not exactly ingratiated himself with the press on this matter who have rightly or wrongly decided that Rudd is the victor in this underhanded, cloak and dagger escapade that evidenced that the corridors of power are run by an elite group of Brisbane socialites. Or should that be socialists? What does a Prime Minister cost these days? Ohhhhh ... about an $8,000 Hilux ute would be my guess.

Interesting to note that the term "Lathamesque" was used in the retort. He certainly was the champion for the people. Rudd may have got off lightly thus far but the honeymoon will be over and like all good marriages the best part is to play the wedding video backwards. This way you can watch your wife take off the wedding ring, walk backwards out of the church and get in the car and just FERK OFF.

We, the Australian people will soon tire of his smarmy, chameleon like charade and vote him and his corrupt, back slapping, bed wetting, nancy boys brigade clean out of office.

Winners gets the spoils. Losers face the music. I can hear the band striking up for Malcolm as we type.

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At this moment in time rederob in my opinion is correct and I would be interested in any arguments which would change my mind on this.

gg

Garpal Gumnut said:

At this moment in time rederob in my opinion is correct and I would be interested in any arguments which would change my mind on this.

gg

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Ummmm ... what part are you agreeing with rederob? That Malcolm Turnbull will be replaced as LOTO or that Kevin Rudd has been caught with his hand inthe lollie jar and rederob's argument is so thin it only has one side?