Has Clive Palmer gone loco?

[noco]

She is one of 12 Tasmanian senators. I'm not sure about other states but generally there is a strong point of difference between state based politics and those representing the state federally.

Yes you are correct with the 12 senators.....I was thinking of six who are elected in the half senate elections.

But they represent their appropriate states and should listen to the state governments and the people of that state as to what they consider is desirable and advantageous to their state irrespective of their own personal beliefs.

 

[explod]

Doc, she says she will spend the weekend consulting with the people of Tasmania......Will someone remind her that she is just one of six senators in Tasmania and she is really a servant of the state government and should be consulting with the state government as well as the people of Tasmania....If she continues to make self interest decisions instead of the Tasmanian requirements then she is not doing her job and deserves to be kicked out..

Rubbish, policy should be developed and thrashed out in the Parliament under the eye of the pubic and general elecotorate. Not from behind party closed doors. This is why I admire people like Malcome Fraser because he came from such an era and espouses such today.

Jackie Lambie was not fed on a silver spoon, she as a single mum had a rough road. She is speking openly from her heart and her opening up yesterday was a great day for democracy.

 

[Julia]

I suppose people like Explod are what Lambie is counting on to excuse her from her hysterical behaviour.

 

[sptrawler]

Rubbish, policy should be developed and thrashed out in the Parliament under the eye of the pubic and general elecotorate. Not from behind party closed doors. This is why I admire people like Malcome Fraser because he came from such an era and espouses such today.

Jackie Lambie was not fed on a silver spoon, she as a single mum had a rough road. She is speking openly from her heart and her opening up yesterday was a great day for democracy.

Funny you should say that, they are poles apart in their beliefs.

Lambie wants a pay rise to be increased to match inflation.

Fraser brought in a wages 'freeze', with no restraint on prices, the average Australian worker despised him.

 

[noco]

Funny you should say that, they are poles apart in their beliefs.

Lambie wants a pay rise to be increased to match inflation.

Fraser brought in a wages 'freeze', with no restraint on prices, the average Australian worker despised him.

Funny also, Hawke and Keating brought in a wage freeze which the unions agreed to.

If Abbott tried to do the same there would rioting in the streets.

Keating also promised tax cuts and it was to be L-A-W Law......it never happened.

 

[explod]

I suppose people like Explod are what Lambie is counting on to excuse her from her hysterical behaviour.

Hysteriical, she speaks calmy and to the point. She has not been in Parliament long but is learning fast.

Gee you Libs are so biased and blind, particularly to content, the last to all 3 previous posts. We may be poles apart but I can relate to cincerity and her take on the real human condition of the have nots.

With this mentality, and the numbers now forming in the senate the current Government will desintigrate.

 

[drsmith]

I'm trying to imagine Jacqui around the same table with Christine and young Sarah.

It would certainly get to the point but I'm not sure how long it'd stay calm.

 

[sptrawler]

With this mentality, and the numbers now forming in the senate the current Government will desintigrate.

And with it, any chance of being able to support the welfare system, we enjoy.lol

Go back to Labor/Green trajectory and sooner or later it implodes.

You can't keep spending more than you earn, I would have thought you would already know that.

Unless you are on a taxpayer funded income, but even that stalls, when the taxpayers are out of work.

 

[explod]

And with it, any chance of being able to support the welfare system, we enjoy.lol

Go back to Labor/Green trajectory and sooner or later it implodes.

You can't keep spending more than you earn, I would have thought you would already know that.

Unless you are on a taxpayer funded income, but even that stalls, when the taxpayers are out of work.

That is not correct. Our debt per capita is insignificant compared to most other western countries. To invest in the future borrowing is standard practice.

Home buyers and investors do it on borrowing.

The debt on this Governments arrival (off top of head here) was heading to 200 billion, the Libs have raised the ceiling to half a trillion.

All of the rhetoric of the two partes is just that, hot air rhetoric.

 

[noco]

That is not correct. Our debt per capita is insignificant compared to most other western countries. To invest in the future borrowing is standard practice.

Home buyers and investors do it on borrowing.

The debt on this Governments arrival (off top of head here) was heading to 200 billion, the Libs have raised the ceiling to half a trillion.

All of the rhetoric of the two partes is just that, hot air rhetoric.

So if Shorten were to put his head in the fire, you would follow him.

Or if you are not sure what Shorten says or does , it does matter you would still agree with him.

I mean why do we have to compare ourselves with other countries who were stupid enough to get themselves into so much debt..

The Green/Labor left wing socialists party wasted so much 2007/2013 with the excuse of a Global financial crisis. A Liberal Government would have done twice as much with half the money Labor wasted.

As I have said before Rudd's $900 cheques were just a loan and now we, the taxpayers, have to pay it back or perhaps the next generation will, one or the two.

It might have been better to go into a short recession like the one Keating said we had to have rather than waste so much money.

Yes off topic.

 

[noco]

Emma had Clive by the short and curlies last night and he did not like, so he spat the dummy.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/enter...th-emma-alberici/story-fnihmoiz-1227130189792

 

[Tisme]

I mean why do we have to compare ourselves with other countries who were stupid enough to get themselves into so much debt..

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We compare ourselves because it is those delinquent nations who pumped flesh in Brisbane recently and decided the fate of the world's economy. We compare ourselves because we still insist on importing CEOs and MDs to run our companies. We compare ourselves because our private sector borrows vast amounts of monies from those other countries.

So although those other countries are apparently basket cases and poor money managers they still run show and we don't, although Joe Hockey did give it an embarrassing crack, Julie continues to think the UN takes her seriously and Tony thinks we are up to the task of going to war with Russia.

 

[Tisme]

Emma had Clive by the short and curlies last night and he did not like, so he spat the dummy.


http://www.couriermail.com.au/enter...th-emma-alberici/story-fnihmoiz-1227130189792

Grist for the mill. Clive didn't get to where he is by being subordinate to a party machine and news cycle like most profile politicians. He has smashed his way through and probably sees no reason to change.


It was good sport, but Emma did take it too far IMO..... poor timing on this occasion.

 

[drsmith]

Grist for the mill. Clive didn't get to where he is by being subordinate to a party machine and news cycle like most profile politicians. He has smashed his way through and probably sees no reason to change.

It's far too late for him to change.

Clive "Titanic" Palmer is sinking before our very eyes and his walkouts when the questioning gets tough are an obvious sign of that. Emma Alberici did her job will in that interview. The final line which Clive didn't stick around for was the most telling,

EMMA ALBERICI: And if I had've had the opportunity, I was trying to make out - make the point that in these court documents it does say that Mr Palmer has attempted to pay back the money on three occasions.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-21/pup-would-like-lambie-to-stay-onboard/5907974

Meanwhile, the mess with Jacqui Lambie just gets worse,

JACQUI Lambie claims someone has leaked details of a legal dispute with the Department of Veterans’ Affairs in a bid to damage her, as Clive Palmer called the rogue senator’s recent *behaviour “berserk”.

With Senator Lambie in Tasmania contemplating her political future, her spokesman told The Australian she had been the target of a dirty tricks campaign.

Seven News last night reported that Senator Lambie owed the department $11,000 in compensation claims that she had been overpaid before entering parliament.

The spokesman did not deny there was a dispute, which has been ongoing since 2010, but said the amount of money in question had not been agreed upon.

“It is a personal issue that has obviously been leaked to the media to try and harm her and she’s very disappointed that that’s happened,” he said. “The bigger question is who leaked it? Was it within the government?

“Her solicitor thinks she has a very good chance of winning any court case that the DVA wants to contest.”

Senator Lambie has also sought constitutional advice from the Senate clerk, fearing the Palmer United Party could take action against her to claim the seat if she quit the party and became an independent.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...lambie-goes-home/story-fn59niix-1227130126386

 

[Calliope]

Grist for the mill. Clive didn't get to where he is by being subordinate to a party machine and news cycle like most profile politicians. He has smashed his way through and probably sees no reason to change.


It was good sport, but Emma did take it too far IMO..... poor timing on this occasion.

It is not easy to interview a pathological liar. Emma did her best to expose him. I can't wait until they get him in court, where he will lie under oath.

Understand what a pathological liar is. Basically, a pathological liar is someone who tells lies habitually, chronically and compulsively. It has simply become a way of life for this person, to make up things for a variety of reasons and eventually, the truth becomes uncomfortable while weaving whoppers feels right to them. This kind of lying tends to develop early on in life, often as a response to difficult home or school situations that seemed to resolve better if the child lied. It's a bad habit, not a manipulative trait––this is how to differentiate a pathological liar from a sociopath who does seek to manipulate.

http://www.wikihow.com/Spot-a-Pathological-Liar

 

[Tisme]

It is not easy to interview a pathological liar. Emma did her best to expose him. I can't wait until they get him in court, where he will lie under oath.

Understand what a pathological liar is. Basically, a pathological liar is someone who tells lies habitually, chronically and compulsively. It has simply become a way of life for this person, to make up things for a variety of reasons and eventually, the truth becomes uncomfortable while weaving whoppers feels right to them. This kind of lying tends to develop early on in life, often as a response to difficult home or school situations that seemed to resolve better if the child lied. It's a bad habit, not a manipulative trait––this is how to differentiate a pathological liar from a sociopath who does seek to manipulate.

I know it's easy pickings, but I have to say it ......... that sounds like so many politicians.

 

[drsmith]

PUP family album.

I'll start it off with happier times,

 

[Calliope]

I know it's easy pickings, but I have to say it ......... that sounds like so many politicians.

You criticise other politicians for lying to the electors, and yet Clive told the biggest lie of all. He promised a Palmer UNITED Party The Party is of course a disUNITED rabble . But I suppose that is bound to happen when you try to clobber together a party of left-over dregs and Palmer hacks, and on whose election he spent milions of dollars of allegedly misapproprited funds.

To use your analogy, I think it is a big mistake to hitch your pony to the PUPs

The biggest lie from the biggest liar

 

[Julia]

It is not easy to interview a pathological liar. Emma did her best to expose him. I can't wait until they get him in court, where he will lie under oath.

I have no time for Mr Palmer, but with respect to that part of the interview, I think maybe he had grounds to be irritated. The Citic Pacific case is before the courts and surely we should all be prepared to await the outcome before persisting with questions on this.

Fair enough to have him on re the topical matter of Lambie and the general shambles of his party, but I don't think he has any obligation to be talked over so aggressively when he offers any sort of response.

(Above should not be considered conversion to liking anything about PUP or its founder.)

 

[Tisme]

You criticise other politicians for lying to the electors, and yet Clive told the biggest lie of all.

Yes without fear nor favour. If I wanted to hear lies I could down to the nearest park where derelicts live and ask them what went wrong with their lives. I expect more from those that insist they are "honourable" and take money for being so.

I'm not too sure I was annoyed at Emma for overcooking it or that the show piece could have lasted a few more minutes.