Garpal Gumnut
Ross Island Hotel
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Hey kennas mate when did I say this and in what context.
or was it the governor general
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Well, I'm glad you were helped out chops, otherwise we would all be worse off for it.
In the words of the immortal GG:
'You either do it right, or you are eliminated’.
It has some relevance to my point, so narrow as it is.
If you think there are no caveats to my position, fine.
No apology required. I wasn't trying to 'get at you'. I think most people are ambivalent on at least some of this topic.You know I like to play devils advocate occasionally, as well as expressing my own opinion.
I just fail to make it clear who I am at times...
Major source of conflict post drunken conversations..
Apologies to anyone I have had the horns on with....
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Kennas, because you personally are lacking in altruism doesn't mean it doesn't exist in others.All part of the survival insticts of the human animal.
If you give to others then you expect to receive in return, or develop some sort of self esteem from the act.
Altruism does not exist.
:couch
In my opinion the events of the past month or so have blown sky high all arguments that we can't afford to be funding health, education, welfare and so on.
If we can afford to blow massive amounts on the bankers' ponzi schemes which deliver nothing but pain to the masses then we could have afforded to spend the same creating a much better world.
Great post.Not True Kenna's, I used to think along the same lines, Everyone ultimately looks after Numero Uno, and thats True, but only in the extreme's, when its becomes a decision or at least perceived decision of You vs Them.
But I have actually seen a documentary about a study into what happens within the brain when you give to someone WITHOUT expecting anything in return. What they found was that the brain lights up in a way that produces pleasure, so we are hard wired to help people if we can. Thats the main point, IF we are in a position to help we will, if we aren't the need for survival takes over, and some people I suppose have different threshholds and are constantly viewing the world us Me Vs Everyone, which I suppose leads to greed?
So in a society in which people are allowed to save and "Get Ahead", live a comfortable life without being squeezed for everything you earn, and ultimately not have to work so much, then people will naturally help others.
You'll always have the greedy, but there are more givers than takers in most societies.
somethign like that anyway lol
It's Christian fundamentalism. Keep those babies coming...SO it feels like the govt really beats you down to keep you down, but if you have a family already, its alright, they'll look after you.
Never having had to live on a pension I am not qualified to comment on the payment made to them.
But I do have strong objections to the doubling (and tripling) of the first home buyer's grant. This is just worsening one of the stupidities inherited from the previous government. It is feeding the Autralian obsession of home ownership early in life.
Anyone who cannot afford to save the deposit on a home will not be able to afford to service the mortgage. The bonus is just giving them a kickstart to a pie in the sky dream.
The money would be better spent in providing low rental accommodation.
you've hit the nail on the head.
I've had a little to do with Vinnies and they can sure help the poor better than any government can.
and they are finding it tougher to get donations since government put their noses in it.
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Calliope, maybe put this comment in the bank guarantee thread. I've just posted something similar.The decision by the govt, as part of their "stabilising package", to guarantee bank deposits has now come back to bite them.
One of Australia's biggest mortgage trusts, the Challenger Howard trust has now frozen redemptions. They have had a flood of redemptions since the guarantee as investors have fled to the safety of the banks. Other mortgage trusts, once regarded as conservatve and safe are having to follow suit. Apparently Cash Management Trusts could also be affected.
This bank deposit guarantee was hastily cobbled together and ill thought out. Surely the Treasury would have warned Rudd and Swan that this could happen.
Hello SnakeThe doll should be limited to 3 months.
Hello Snake
"doll"???
Why do you think it would be fair for the dole to be limited to 3 months?
As the economy falters, more people will lose their jobs. What are they supposed to do if they can't find another job in three months?
Hello Julia,
Thanks for your question. Please excuse my use of the vernacular, it should read dole.
I believe people should build their communities so as to provide support and assistance to each other. This can build contacts (which is the real way to find jobs) and networking community to community. Currently we fail as a society in this regard. Everyone is too greedy and self-centred. People need to change attitudes.
As there are many people living permanantly off the doll which is admired by people in other countries, I feel it is not good for the nation and society in general if people can have a permanent handout or strive to emigrate here to get that handout and then get a bad back.
Jobs can be found, people just have to look and not be too fussy until something better can be found. Other countries such as Japan only have a 3 month limit for the "doll", and others do not have any "doll".
Lazy = no jobs.
Proactive qualities = jobs to be found or created.
It is amazing what can happen with the right attitude.
The handout mentality is socialist in nature and only has a place in failed states like the former USSR.
I am all for support for those who are injured and or have a dissability. I have been there and know all about that.
Thanks.
Julia, it was a general comment on the human species, not a personal comment.Kennas, because you personally are lacking in altruism doesn't mean it doesn't exist in others.
The fact we are able to discuss it intelligibly, means it already exists to some extent, does it not? qed.Just because you think altruism exists doesn't mean it does.
Of course, I'm happy to openly discuss this which I find to be a really interesting topic. I'd really like someone to give me a good example that it does exist, it's a nice warm and fuzzy concept.
Yes, Kennas. I recognised that and I disagreed with you. Hence my comment which suggests that although you may never be motivated purely in the interest of helping someone else, it's equally possible that other people behave differently.Julia, it was a general comment on the human species, not a personal comment.
LOL. First name Gordon...Hey kennas mate when did I say this and in what context.
or was it the governor general
gg
How have the "handouts" changed over time - say as a % of GDP/gov budget or some other measure? Anyone know or able to show this? Be interesting to know if we are paying more in relative terms over the decades.
The handouts (until recently) seem to be growing in minority areas or specific groups, rather than addressing the "majority". I used to be on the board of a non-profit organisation and therefore had an interest in this area. There's more draw on food banks, church/charity organisations and such, and funds from both the gov and the public is dropping. Schools do more fund-raising.
We'd get better bang for our buck if some money went the way of some of the better organisations like Vinnies, rather than as direct cash payments. Some suppliers (still) bump up the price if goods and services if it's the government - was more popular 20 years ago.
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