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Re: H.C. run by Nazi's?

Definitely run by brown shirts! A friend of mine used my computer to post and got suspended, my wife who owned BMN shares at the time registered while I was on a temp suspension and her account was declined with me copping a permanent suspension. They then asked for copies of drivers licences to see if we were the same, what a bunch of halfwits.

So GoNuke welcome over here where there is sensibility, or maybe not with me still getting stuck in to BMN.
 
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Rather than a Hot copper bash why not discuss the failure of ASF to attract posters that will post researched stock facts on a regular basis. ASF has plenty of general discussion but lacks informative and regular posts on STOCKS. After all this is a stock forum. Hot copper posts on stocks outnumber posts here by about 100 to 1.

So stop bashing another forum and post some meaningful posts here about stocks.:banghead:
 
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nioka said:
Rather than a Hot copper bash why not discuss the failure of ASF to attract posters that will post researched stock facts on a regular basis. ASF has plenty of general discussion but lacks informative and regular posts on STOCKS. After all this is a stock forum. Hot copper posts on stocks outnumber posts here by about 100 to 1.

So stop bashing another forum and post some meaningful posts here about stocks.:banghead:
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I think it is a fair topic. The public should be aware as to what is going on over there. What I like about ASF is that not only stocks are discussed. It's just a nice place to hang out.
 
Re: H.C. run by Nazi's?

nioka said:
Rather than a Hot copper bash why not discuss the failure of ASF to attract posters that will post researched stock facts on a regular basis. ASF has plenty of general discussion but lacks informative and regular posts on STOCKS. After all this is a stock forum. Hot copper posts on stocks outnumber posts here by about 100 to 1.
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I can't abide HC for longer than about 2 minutes. But presuming what you say is correct, how many of those posts actually add something of substance as opposed to those that are like "YEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAW DOG is gone up to .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005c or CRAP is going to the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

???
 
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wayneL said:
I can't abide HC for longer than about 2 minutes. But presuming what you say is correct, how many of those posts actually add something of substance as opposed to those that are like "YEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAW DOG is gone up to .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005c or CRAP is going to the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

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To fair there are posts of substance on there:
"Toot toooot" and "Whooooosssh"
but all time favourite analytical posts are the ones which 'explain' low volumes: "Brokers out to lunch"
 
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wayneL said:
I can't abide HC for longer than about 2 minutes. But presuming what you say is correct, how many of those posts actually add something of substance as opposed to those that are like "YEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAW DOG is gone up to .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005c or CRAP is going to the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

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Sure there are some of those, there is an ignore button for them. but then there are a lot of researched ones as well. Such as:

"Reply to: #4894432 from axlsusie Views: 353
Posted: 31/12/09 03:17 Stock Price (at time of posting): 16.5c Sentiment: Buy Disclosure: Stock Held From: 220.239.xxx.xxx

Great contributions by everyone on this thread. Thanks BentleighWest for initiating the thread.

Without going into the topic too much because I am a tad sleepy, but I was thinking the best way of unlocking value in CER is not through CSF IMO but a much bigger beast that nobody out of HC talk about and that is SuperLLC

I mentioned a while ago that SuperLLC for CER is like a double call option. I'll briefly explain what I mean:

SuperLLC contributes 0c NTA to CER yet generates $80m per year to the bottom line (Pg 68 anual report says $88m but lets just say $80m).

SuperLLC currently contributes zero equity to CER's accounts because CER is responsible for CNP and CMCS40's negative equity in SuperLLC to the extent of CER's investment in SuperLLC

What this means is that although CER has equity in SuperLLC of $635m not taking into account other JV investors in SuperLLC (pg 68 annual report), the negative equity enjoyed by CNP needs to be borne by CER in way of an impairment charge. This is why CER has zero equity in SuperLLC.

At the end of the day, this is accounting mumbo jumbo. If SuperLLC does not fail, which is unlikely to happen now given the stabilisation plan announced in Dec08, CER will ultimately retain its $635m equity in SuperLLC and continue to generate profits in the amount of $80m independent of the underlying profit CNP generates in the properties it holds in its SuperLLC investment.

At the moment all profits generated by SuperLLC are being used to paydown debt.

Going back to my double call option example, what I mean by this is, SuperLLC contributes 0c equity to CER. We can safely say also that the market has reflected this equity in the current unit price/market cap of CER.

When SuperLLC begins to experience property writeups, this will favourably affect CER in two ways:

- CERs stand alone equity in SuperLLC will increase from $635m
- The impairment charge that CER has taken on in the amount of $635m will be written back

Therefore, a $635m writeup in the value of CERs SuperLLC equity, will increase CERs overall equity by $1,270m ($635m x 2)

A two fold win for CER.

Yet the market is currently saying, nope SuperLLC is worthless and we aint assigning it any value


Mind you with this call option, there is no expiry date!!

No call option, let alone a double call option with an unlimited expiry date would be assigned a 0c value by the market.

Even options that are out of the money and EXPIRE at the end of next month will more likely than not be given a value. Im holding call options in ANZ (strike price $24) and WDC (strike price $13.50) that expire 28 Jan 2010 that are out of the money and I can today should I choose to realise some proceeds.

CNP has negative equity but for some peculiar reason (insert sarcasm), the share price is higher than 0c.

The best way to unlock value in CER is to list SuperLLC as a separate vehicle on the ASX IMO

I would love to buy an infinite amount of shares in SuperLLC for 0c knowing that the potential upside in nothing short of enormous.

If CER or UBS (the investment bank appointed to look after CERs interest in the separation process) is reading this, this is the ultimate way of unlocking value in CER

I do have some ideas and numbers floating though my head of how this can be done but Im off to bed now

Tomorrow is another day!

Keep the faith all

Cheers"
 
Re: H.C. run by Nazi's?

Fair enough.

Why do you think those types of posts are rarer on ASF?
 
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wayneL said:
I can't abide HC for longer than about 2 minutes. But presuming what you say is correct, how many of those posts actually add something of substance as opposed to those that are like "YEEEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAW DOG is gone up to .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000005c or CRAP is going to the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!

???
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The quote I liked the best was I HAVE A GUT FELLING ABOUT THIS STOCK, now that stock is .03 of a cent, LOL,LOL.
 
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wayneL said:
Fair enough.

Why do you think those types of posts are rarer on ASF?
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If I knew that I'd tell Joe. I find it hard to get information that I can use on this forum. It used to be better. Good posters get "shot down" and dont keep posting. Some time ago I stopped posting on general threads here and only rarely break the resolution. This time I could not resist the unfair treatment for another forum.( People that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.)

I read most stock posts but if I relied on information gleaned here I would not get far ahead at all. 2009 was my best year ever and I credit information gained from forums as responsible for most of these gains. I'm up over 12% so far for 2010 and we are still in the first week.

I'm housebound a lot of the time now so forums are a part of my life. I have gotten to know who posts rubbish and who posts "the goods", even here on ASF.

Again I don't know the answer but if members did some research and posted it here I'm sure the forum would flourish. Joes rules are good and the forum is well designed for easy use.:2twocents
 
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leng said:
Definitely run by brown shirts! A friend of mine used my computer to post and got suspended, my wife who owned BMN shares at the time registered while I was on a temp suspension and her account was declined with me copping a permanent suspension. They then asked for copies of drivers licences to see if we were the same, what a bunch of halfwits.

So GoNuke welcome over here where there is sensibility, or maybe not with me still getting stuck in to BMN.
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Ah hello Leng.

Yes Im well away for you from the Bannerman thread.

Ive actually been on the ASF forum well before H.C.

Gee DAZT you really got screwed over mate.

Look there are some great posts by some on H.C I'll give it that. Overall my gripe isn't with the people on H.C, its the moderators.

There are plenty of very reputable forums on the web that don't control their members in the way H.C does.
Whirlpool is a great example.

Rather than banning people, why don't they just moderate the naughty post by deleting it? Thats what Whirlpool does.

Its the terrible attitude mods have which pisses me off. Its like they are living in the 1900's.

I do hear what you are saying nioka....ASF would be a better forum IF it did attract some more researched posts. But at the same time thats the great thing about forums....they are a great place to hang out and get whats on your mind out there for people to hear and either agree or disagree with.

But I have posted this in the "general" discussion thread, so there's no reason to discuss stocks right now :D

Just wanted to make it clear...its the MODS of H.C that are "Nancy's" ;) not the posters.
Everyone's entilted to an opinion...kind of.
 
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Et Al:

Though it would be fair to say that ASF would like to see more specific stock discussion, it would also be fair to say that Joe has tried to encourage more quality than quantity. That said, a bit more quantity of quality at ASF would be terrific and I know that Joe would love to see more of that.

But one area I think ASF excels is in discussion on the method rather than the instrument.

For instance, where else in Australasia is there any discussion on options and futures? Mention Greeks or contract face value on any other forum in Oz and you will be greeted by the chirping of crickets.

Even so, stock discussion is the core of any trading forum so can only encourage folks to bring their stock discussions here, rather than over at the 4th reich. :D
 
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wayneL said:
Et Al:

For instance, where else in Australasia is there any discussion on options and futures? Mention Greeks or contract face value on any other forum in Oz and you will be greeted by the chirping of crickets.
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Wayne, you forgot to mention Elliott Wave analysis ;)
 
Re: H.C. run by Nazi's?

H.C Nazi's...I got a week suspension for being "sassy" !??!!??

Still prefer ASF it's a great site for beginning/ learning,...to get past the need for training wheels

Although I guess I'm on H.C more and more these days just because more stocks are covered with greater discussion but much more rubbish to sift thru as well .
 
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kgee said:
H.C Nazi's...I got a week suspension for being "sassy" !??!!??

Still prefer ASF it's a great site for beginning/ learning,...to get past the need for training wheels

Although I guess I'm on H.C more and more these days just because more stocks are covered with greater discussion but much more rubbish to sift thru as well .
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i prefer the layout of hc, imho a far superior site, but in terms of quality, this asf site beats it no question.

appreciate the hard work the mods do here.. they are generally very good once they settle in..
 
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prozac said:
I agree they are Nancy's.:)
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Definition of a Nancy as it relates to HC please.

If it is the suspension for swearing then learn to express yourself without it. Anyone that can type and spell should have had a good enough education to express themselves without vulgarity.

I used to swear with the best of men until an 80 year old maori that had never been to school gave me the above message. It was a wake up call and I rarely find the need for those expressions these days.

I've posted regularly on HC for years and never been moderated.:)
 
David janson british actor being interviwed by michael parkinson was asked
why dont you do parts and programmes with swearing he replied


because it all it does is show that the writers are inadequate in their command of the english language in that they have to descend to that level:eek:
 
Go Nuke would remember that the BMN thread on ASF was really good a couple of years ago, but good posters like Chris1983 and 'enthusiastic"posters like the Captainjohn left because of a battle with a mod.
Overall ASF is a bit more layed back these days, I havent been modded for a couple of years now lol:eek:
 
DAZT49 said:
Go Nuke would remember that the BMN thread on ASF was really good a couple of years ago, but good posters like Chris1983 and 'enthusiastic"posters like the Captainjohn left because of a battle with a mod.
Overall ASF is a bit more layed back these days, I havent been modded for a couple of years now lol:eek:
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lol, good posters? Only because they made you feel good about your investments.

They were one eyed rampers that dragged that thread and the whole of ASF down. The reason ASF is so good imo is posters like that are weeded out:2twocents.

Ps - The reason you haven't been "modded" in a few years is because you now follow the rules. The rules here known and are strictly enforced by the mods, simple as that.
 
I guess what we are all talking about is freedom of speech, and in Australia that is a right.
Forums like these must tread a fine line with the moderations, some mods cross that line.
As for swearing, try travelling on a Melbourne suburban train on a Saturday night.!! It seems that anybody under 25 has a 2 word vocab lol
 
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