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Guns

From George Mason long

That's a complete load of bull$hite.

If the army wants to attack the citizens they have drones, laser guided missiles, helicopter gunships, tanks and whatever else those taxpayer citizens have kindly provided. They could stand off in their bases and flatten the houses of the people without raising a sweat and no little redneck with his AR can do anything about it.
 
Plenty of people do argue that. They say they should have access as is their right under the 2nd amendment.
 
Again, argue with the 2nd amendment.
That was the reasoning behind the 2nd amendment at the time (you checked the date right?).


Coming from our little regulated corner of the world, freedom and rights can be a scary thing. And the truth is that total freedom probably looks more like anarchy.
 
Plenty of people do argue that. They say they should have access as is their right under the 2nd amendment.

I'm just glad we don't have gun manufacturers in Australia. Else they'll be pushing for the same kind of freedom here too.
 
There are a lot of gun owners in the US. They would outnumber the army 100:1(made up stat, too lazy to check) Vietnam did it. You could argue the Afghans did it as well
 
I'm just glad we don't have gun manufacturers in Australia. Else they'll be pushing for the same kind of freedom here too.
We had guns here before. We didn't have the gun culture though. Pretty sure we had AR15, SKS, uzis all for sale.
 
We had guns here before. We didn't have the gun culture though. Pretty sure we had AR15, SKS, uzis all for sale.

Those weren't manufactured in Australia though, right? I mean if we have manufacturers of any scale here, they'll established a proper culture where each family would have one or a dozen.

I think the US just want to keep their citizens on edge. There's the Muslims, the Mexicans, not the Canadians though but who knows... So better get yourself a gun... but then everyone around you could be carrying so you better too.

Maybe they're not that many seeing how recent report show some cops carrying around fake toy guns to plan on people they shoot.
 
From George Mason long

There is an old saying,

"Never bring an assault rifle to a drone fight"

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The argument about needing rifles to resist the government is bunk,

1, you can just vote out the government.
2, the "standing army" can just revolt against the tyrannical government and use the governments own weapons against them.
 
Those weren't manufactured in Australia though, right? I mean if we have manufacturers of any scale here, they'll established a proper culture where each family would have one or a dozen.

we have Lithgow Arms in Lithgow NSW, I think they are the biggest rifle manufacturer in the southern hemisphere.

http://www.lithgowarms.com
 
Switzerland is the same, with a high rate of gun ownership.

They don't have ammunition though.

Current and former Soldiers get to keep their rifles at home even after they have finished serving, However they do not hold ammunition, ammunition is stored at central locations controlled by the government.

So gun ownership is high, ammunition ownership is low.

Even Swiss citizens with private guns have regulations on quantities and types of ammunition they can purchase.
 

That's a lot smarter than being able to pick up a few boxes from WalMart.
 
Looks pretty cool. But they're hard to get right?

btw, does our troops used Australian made rifles only or we buy them from the yanks?

Lithgow Arms makes the EF88 assault rifle and the F89 light support weapon which are the main weapons used in the Army, but alot of the other weapons used in specialist roles are imported, mainly from the USA and Germany.

Like everything its a mix, we are both a buyer and seller of defence equipment.
 
What, not China ?

Because we are on operations with the USA on a regular basis, so using their weapons means easy access to replacement parts and ammunition, that is why the SAS chose to use the M4 as the mainstay weapon rather than the F88 or EF88 that the rest of the Army use, because that way they can go into a country attached to a larger US force away from Aussie supply chain and rely on the USA supply chain.

The German weapons such as the Heckler and Kosh MP5 and the USP pistol etc, are used in very special roles by the special forces, the performance of the weapons is why they were chosen, and because on the nature of the operations they would be used in they don't require as much of a supply chain backing them.
 
I know practically nothing about the military but a question for those who do.

If a war breaks out between the US and whoever, roughly what % of fighting will take place using soldiers on the ground carrying guns?
 
I know practically nothing about the military but a question for those who do.

If a war breaks out between the US and whoever, roughly what % of fighting will take place using soldiers on the ground carrying guns?

I would say that depends on a lot of factors, and what priority each side puts on maintaining infrastructure. eg if there is little priority they will just blow the cr@p out of any building thought to contain the enemy, otherwise they may try street to street fighting if they want to preserve buildings and other infrastructure.
 
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