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Glen48

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I assume this has been mention before but wondering on the general feeling with gun owner ship.
In USA gun companies have stopped taking orders as they can't keep up with the demand, one company need to deliver 1 million ASAP.
December was the biggest month for gun sale.
Women owning guns has risen from 13 to 26% all must think bad times are coming.
Trouble is if others have a gun/s should you own one plus there are other way to kill or harm some one other than owning a gun.
Will this increase pressure on the OZ public to try and arm themselves as the economy tanks.
Is owning a gun good or bad.
 
Glen48 said:
Is owning a gun good or bad.
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I own a gun but only because I live on the land and need to shoot vermin sometimes (those dang National Party pollies ).

The US is a crazy place. I saw a trailer for a show called "Sons of Guns" on pay TV. Some rednecks in the US will make you any gun you like to order. Assault machine guns or whatever. That's going too far. However there is a point of view that if law abiding citizens could own guns freely it might deter the thugs from breaking in to your house or mugging you on the street. I don't know about the licensing system in the US, you seem to be able to buy guns on the Internet. That many guns around can only lead to trouble.
 
A smile can get you a long way, a smile and a gun gets you a lot further.

John Howard was smart to get rid of them, though the bogan population has exploded as a result.
 
I have a ton of respect for countries like Canada and Australia that have reasonable gun laws. If you hunt, you can own and use a gun within the law.

The US is a basket case. You need to own a gun because every knucklehead owns a gun!

In many parts of Canada and Australia we still leave our doors unlocked....well, Canada anyway....not sure how many do that in Australia now.

If you want toown a gun for hunting, fine. Pass a course and get a permit.

CanOz
 
I never understand Americans. What's the point of this record gun buying and owning so many guns if you are never going to revolt against the most corrupt regime in the history of mankind?

Americans
 
I was totally opposed to them when I was living in the city but after a spell in the country I can see there are valid reasons for owning and using a gun.

MrBurns said:
A smile can get you a long way, a smile and a gun gets you a lot further.
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That reminds me of a saying I read somewhere, 'An armed society is a polite society'
 
Starcraftmazter said:
I never understand Americans. What's the point of this record gun buying and owning so many guns if you are never going to revolt against the most corrupt regime in the history of mankind?
Americans
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Fair enough lets tell the Yanks to get lost, oh by the way North Korea is aiming their next missile in our direction, what's that ? Pleeeeease come and help us Uncle Sam ?
 
I am against them too. Cops, farmers with licenses, gun collectors with licenses excepted.

I was just watching the news tonight of how a 17 year old black boy in the USA was shot and killed by a neighbourhood watch guy who thought he was suspicious as he was wearing a hoody. He was only coming home from the shops, did nothing wrong and he was killed for nothing, the Police have not yet charged the shooter. Keep them out of the hands of the general public.

Watch the video.
 
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We have a lot to thank John Howard for in this regard, can you imagine what our streets would be like now if he hadn't acted ?
 
MrBurns said:
We have a lot to thank John Howard for in this regard, can you imagine what our streets would be like now if he hadn't acted ?
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Largely the same. The research suggests that the gun laws have not actually done much if anything, gun crime was in long run decline before the laws.

That being said, I don't see why anyone in a city needs a firearm (unless they're sporting shooters etc) and I don't see why anyone at all needs a hand gun.
 

The argument that crims would have guns anyway doesn't work, the mass killings in the US are perpetrated by the mentally ill, they wouldnt have guns under the laws we have.
 
MrBurns said:
The argument that crims would have guns anyway doesn't work, the mass killings in the US are perpetrated by the mentally ill, they wouldnt have guns under the laws we have.
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How does that change the fact that gun homicide was declining with or without the laws? You don't actually believe that the majority of gun homicides are related to mass killings do you? Most of it is black on black and gang related.

America's gun laws can't be compared to any other countries.
 
McLovin said:
How does that change the fact that gun homicide was declining with or without the laws? You don't actually believe that the majority of gun homicides are related to mass killings do you?
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No just the infamous ones, but having guns out of the hands of the general population MUST mean less gun problems.
 
Domestic violence with a gun is to me the worst situation.
 
MrBurns said:
No just the infamous ones, but having guns out of the hands of the general population MUST mean less gun problems.
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm saying though that with or without the current laws gun crime was never a serious problem in Australia and was falling. It's unlikely the streets would be any less unsafe.
 
MrBurns said:
Knife crime which is rampant would be gun crime.
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use of knives in robbery said:
Year n %
2001 5,982 22.5
2002 4,051 19.3
2003 3,748 19.0
2004 2,960 17.9
2005 3,142 19.0
2006 3,734 21.5
2007 3,615 20.1
2008 3,225 19.5
2009 2,914 19.1
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http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current series/tandi/401-420/tandi417.aspx

It looks pretty static to me.
 
DALLAS (Reuters) - A 76-year-old Texas man was charged with murder for shooting his wife and two dogs after one of the animals pooped in the house.
Police arrested Michael Stephen Stolz after a five-hour standoff at the man's home in the Dallas suburb of Lewisville late Tuesday. He was charged with murder in the shooting death of his wife, Bernice Stolz, and remained in the Denton County Jail on Wednesday on a $250,000 bond.
Stolz told officers he shot his 49-year-old wife and the couple's two dogs after the German Shepherd mix defecated on the floor on Saturday, said Lewisville Police Capt. Kevin Deaver. He told officers that he shot the dog, then their other dog, a Rottweiler, then his wife, who was screaming because of the shootings of the dogs, Deaver said
 
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