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Gold Price - Where is it heading?

At a time when inflation is running high in virtually every country, when fiat currencies are seeing the results of massive increases of money supply, one might expect that PM's would be very much in demand and thus being on a rising curve.
Of course, we have the exact opposite.
There have been numerous articles about just how much of the PM market is gamed by the big banks, the only question has really ever been exactly who are the counterparties.
From Wall Street on Parade
One of the reasons for the massive growth is that for some bizarre reason, the big banks have been allowed to call so many of these derivitive products as exchange derivitive products.
The OCC report had a footnote that explained this large jump.

So for how long has this scam being running?

The Justice department wrote of JPM after its last felony charge
And yet they are allowed to just keep gaming the system.
Open market systems, by the banks , for the banks.
Mick
 
Thanks @mullokintyre. An excellent post.

For completeness I'll include a link to a post from @ducati916 on a similar theme.


I am not overly concerned re the POG falling in USD atm., I still prefer my insurance against a mad world in Gold as it can be measured and is linked to the USD rather than the Ruble, Pound, Euro or AUD.

gg
 
I am am thinking we have all but finished the capitulation phase in gold.
I hope it will stay low or even go lower before some of the OZ players chuck out their quarterly reports, which will sort out the wheat from the chaff.
Then it will be time to buy more gold stocks.
Mick
 
When things start to get confusing I like to break things down to hopefully get a clearer view of what is happening, give it the KISS treatment. This first chart shows the support and resistance levels on a monthly chart, the big picture without the noise.



Now zoom in to the daily chart and it's clear to see that the trend is down. The next question that needs to be answered is if the downtrend will drive through the monthly support zone or will buyers come in with strength to change the direction of the trend.

 

Yes, it does depend on your timeframe.

We've gone up since Jan 16 and we've gone sideways since Jul 20, so looks like a medium term up trend and a short term pause.
 
Yes, it does depend on your timeframe.

We've gone up since Jan 16 and we've gone sideways since Jul 20, so looks like a medium term up trend and a short term pause.

Yes of course the trend that you are looking at matters, this chart shows your monthly trend. We are saying the same thing in that if the monthly support holds and the daily trend reverses then the monthly trend will hold.

 
Yes of course the trend that you are looking at matters, this chart shows your monthly trend. We are saying the same thing in that if the monthly support holds and the daily trend reverses then the monthly trend will hold.

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Thanks for that chart @DaveTrade . I was going to post a quite inferior 10y one.

Whether one buys or sells Gold, digs it up or leaves it hidden depends on one's timeframe, past experience and personality.

I have held every ounce of gold I ever bought despite having seen it crash in value in the 80's. Long term it is gold.

I have seen worse looking charts for gold in the past, and that was in peacetime. There is an undeclared war between us and the Chinese and Russian cousins presently.

The POG could reverse by 20-50% in a week, it may fall but not as quickly. Who knows. I care not. In 20 years I'll repost quoting this thread.

gg
 
This is from Kitco News advising that TD Securities is now bearish on gold, having just liquidated their put spread strategy. This would appear to be in the context of big funds moving out of all commodities.

One could read this as nobody has a clue where the markets, commodities and bonds are headed, and one would be correct in that reading.

I guess a market capitulation is possible, as is a recovery.

Who knows?

Basically TD Securities is saying " Trust me I'm a Fund".

On with the dance.


gg
 
The Brics countries must be pissing themselves laughing.
The USD index hit yearly highs, gold hits lows.
So what would you do if you were one of them?
They can offload those useless USD denominated assets, then buy the physical, let the fool US banks play their derivative games and just keep accumulating physical gold.
Mick
 
You are looking in the wrong place...
I agree !!
Gold is a hedge against a Falling USD
As you can see in the above chart
The Big Buck is not falling
So who needs Gold?
Not Me!
Give me as many BIG Bucks I can accumulate in these times ,I say

PS The only people I can think of who maybe buying GOLD are
INDIA's newly weds
BLACK MARKETEERS
&
DRUG LORDS
 
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Yes the US$ is in a strong uptrend, if that trend continues then GLD will most likely break through it's monthly support zone.

I like to look at markets through a few different lenses to give me a more comprehensive view of what the market is doing. By understanding what a market is doing now gives me a better idea of what it may do next. Some people on this forum may know that I have created some of my own custom indicators and this chart below of the US$ is using one of my custom indicators.

It shows that the US$ has been losing strength in the trend since the beginning of May. As the market has made higher highs since early May, the Strength indicator has made lower highs.



The latest peak of the US$ on Wednesday this week shows a slightly lower reading on the Strength indicator.



This reduction in the strength of the trend in the US$ as GLD approaches it's monthly support zone provides some evidence that this support zone may hold. I don't make forecasts, I just look for evidence and see if the market acts in a manner that supports the evidence or not.
 
so have the Russians stopped buying ( swapping treasuries for gold ) ??

but if i remember correctly ( from the alt. media web-sites ) getting the physical delivered into your hot excited hands was fairly hard for the retail folk , i wonder if the supply side was the real story ( silver coins were hard to get as well , i hear )
 

Interesting article.

So premiums are not falling:



Why are premiums not falling? No sellers.


I can buy or sell physical. There is obviously a spread. The US futures price is 1740.90


So the purchase price is not astronomically higher.


The premium is 4% +/- to buy and a 7% spread if selling.

So I have never really had any major issues buying gold. Pretty much pay and pick it up. Silver however:



5 weeks is optimistic. Closer to 8 weeks+

The premium is far higher at 30%. In addition you have that 500oz minimum, which is standard across any silver over here.




The physical silver market is tiny from a market cap. viewpoint. If retail becomes interested, supply would be swallowed up in days. The total market cap is +/- $1T. Gold is +/- $11T.

The actual available physical (gold or silver) to buy is a fraction of that, say +/- $16B for silver, possibly far less. It is hard to get accurate figures as JPM and BAC are so heavily involved in the COMEX. Currently SLV which hold unallocated silver on Trust. From memory the Trustee is the NY Bank of Mellon, which is associated with JPM.



The circles mark SLV supplying JPM with 12.5 million oz to be used as settlement for those futures contracts that stood for delivery in June.

Currently the paper/physical ratio:



It does tend to fluctuate. However the takeaway is that the leverage is very high. High leverage only works in your favour when it works. When it doesn't, markets can move very quickly against you.

Summary:

The point of holding physical is not to trade it. The point is to hold it as an insurance policy against the failure of fiat currencies. Silver is a far more speculative holding as its long term appreciation is a fraction of gold. However, when silver moves, it really moves. On a % basis far more than gold. Currently we sit at +/- 90:1. Historically anything below 30:1 is a good point to exchange your silver to gold or fiat. If you are really aggressive, below 15:1.

Essentially the Central Banks have lost control of their monetary systems as the debt compounds faster than GDP can be grown on a nominal basis (forget on a real basis). This is due worldwide to the level of debt.

Therefore, simple arithmetic provides that Central Banks must continue to expand their Balance Sheets. Currently the US Treasury has the proceeds of the last round of Bond sales in its account. This runs out probably this week or next. There will be more Bond sales to raise cash. If the Fed is the only buyer or majority buyer, then its Balance Sheet will continue to expand, despite ostensibly being in QT.

Every rate hike increases the payments on outstanding debt. Currently interest payments alone exceed tax revenues. Add in indexed Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Military spending, government payrolls, etc. and the ponzi scheme is ready to fall.

If the US dollar fails, all fiats fail. Fiats are based on trust, faith and force. Once you lose trust and faith, no amount of force will suffice.

This is why holders of physical are not selling.

All markets are manipulated in the short term. Longer term, reality always wins.

jog on
duc
 
Only surprise is they manage to face the court game is still on, but they probably now have changed jurisdiction or method..not actual manipulation
 
Good afternoon ducati916,

Enjoyed reading your post. Took awhile to fully understand it as rcw1 ain’t the sharpest tool in the shed …. Anyways, your opening paragraph in summary, The point of holding physical is not to trade it. The point is to hold it as an insurance policy against the failure of fiat currencies, couldn’t have said it any better, ? spot on, for mine.

Just so happen to be in BrisVagus for State of
Origin 3 tomorrow night … go the Maroons!!!
Bought some more yellow today from a merchant being dealing with over many many years.

Kind regards
rcw1
 
I don't think this is unfolding like a lot of us gold bugs thought. Or, perhaps POG is a delayed reaction to inflation, we just have to wait it out...

USD strength seems to have been the killer.

Support ahead, hopefully.


 
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