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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%
  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%
  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%
  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%
  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%
  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%

  • Total voters
    153
well this is what the Instituton of Engineers (Aust) magazine thinks of this
 

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Central Plank Of Global Warming Alarmism Discredited
Inspiration for Al Gore's movie cover, contention that global warming causes intense hurricanes, discredited by professor who first proposed it

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Monday, April 14, 2008


One of the central philosophies of climate change alarmism and an image that adorned the cover of Al Gore's An Inconvenient Truth - the contention that global warming causes deadly hurricanes - has been completely discredited by the expert who first proposed it.

Hurricane buff and professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT Kerry Emanuel asserted for over 20 years that global warming breeds more frequent and stronger storms and he shot to prominence just one month before Hurricane Katrina in 2005 when he delivered the "final proof" that global warming was already causing extreme weather events and wrecking livelihoods.

Emanuel was subsequently acknowledged with a place in Time Magazine's "100 People Who Shape Our World" list.

Al Gore was so inspired by Emanuel's research that he devoted the iconic front cover image of his 2006 movie An Inconvenient Truth to his warning, portraying a hurricane emerging from a Co2-belching smokestack.


An inconvenient cover image - Al Gore's depiction of global warming's contribution to hurricanes has been completely discredited.

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Unfortunately for the church of environmentalism, who ceaselessly profess to have a monopoly on truth and insist that "the debate is over" on global warming, Emanuel has completely recanted his position and now admits that hurricanes and storms will actually decline over the next 200 years and have little or no correlation with global temperature change whatsoever.

"Emanuel's newest work, co-authored with two other researchers, simulates hurricane conditions nearly 200 years in the future. The research -- the first to mesh global climate models with small-scale high-resolution simulations of individual storms -- found that while storm strength rises slightly in some areas, it falls in others -- and the total number of worldwide storms actually declines slightly," reports Daily Tech.

"The new work suggests that, even in a dramatically warming world, hurricane frequency and intensity may not substantially rise during the next two centuries," reports The Houston Chronicle.

"The research, appearing in the March issue of Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, is all the more remarkable coming from Emanuel, a highly visible leader in his field and long an ardent proponent of a link between global warming and much stronger hurricanes."

"The models are telling us something quite different from what nature seems to be telling us," said Emanuel, adding, "The results surprised me."

This bears testimony to the fact that we cannot accept the shrill claims of the alarmists that "the debate is over" on global warming, because to do so would hand control of our future over to bumbling, self-serving control freaks who have been proven wrong time after time.

How can we let technocrats impose sweeping control measures based on a "consensus" about the effects of global warming that isn’t necessarily correct? Those that propose drastic responses to a "crisis" that isn't even fully understood should be treated with extreme suspicion.

The admission that global warming has no effect on extreme weather patterns, in addition to last week's report confirming there has been no global temperature increase since 1998, spells disaster for the alarmists and current weather patterns are not doing them any favors either.

Shortly after China experienced its coldest winter in 100 years and

to continue, go to link... http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/041408_alarmism_discredited.htm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/09/2240680.htm?section=justin
what's wrong with a bloody big lead sinker - and one last deep dive.

I heard someone asking - hey - if I'm gonna be buried in a vertical hole made by a post hole digger -
and it turns out to be a rainy day -
does that mean I'll end up a "stick in the mud" ?
 
Killer cornflakes!

Damn headlines!

Just about put me off my favourite brekky...

until I read the whole story.

 
Just caught the tail end of an SBS news story about the rapid melting of the North Pole.Also I think I heard that Polar Bears are on the endangered species list.WTF are we doing??????

North Pole Could Be Ice Free in 2008

You know when climate change is biting hard when instead of a vast expanse of snow the North Pole is a vast expanse of water. This year, for the first time, Arctic scientists are preparing for that possibility.
 
Just caught the tail end of an SBS news story about the rapid melting of the North Pole.Also I think I heard that Polar Bears are on the endangered species list.WTF are we doing??????

don't worry about it wys
it's all a plot by alarmists
let's get out in our hummers and warm things up a bit
 
don't worry about it wys
it's all a plot by alarmists
let's get out in our hummers and warm things up a bit

Now that's a morbit sense of humour, 2020. :

Yes wysiwyg.

Gaud, some of you fellas have the most extraudinary user names to remember to spell. Have to remember to copy and paste.

Anyway... I've seen a few satelite shots over the years showing how much it has retreated. One not so young Alaskan glacier tour guide reckons the glaciers have retreated much further in the last few years than he can remember. Some of the smaller ones have dissapeared.

I realise that relatively speaking the 1900's may have been the bottom of a cooler cycle and we are just entering a warmer natural cycle. But even if it's mostly naturaly driven, I worry a bit about how much man made influences could exaggerate that warming.
 
The effects of life in society since the fossil fuel fired industrial age began.With our electric lights and driving automobiles contributing to atmospheric changes.
Can the wheels of progress be stopped.Yes, what would it take.I think human d-evolution is set.Most people don`t really care about the future health of the planet.The cycle is --- born, school, job, car, money, sex, house, die. NEXT.
People focus their attention on absolute rubbish.
 
I'm guessing there's no need to be luddites about this - I'm sure there's a middle road that permits some development (damned site less that we have at the moment I concede) - being pragmatic - just get that CO2e down by a couple of percent per year - that's what the IPCC boys are proposing as a compromise.
 
Most people don`t really care about the future health of the planet.The cycle is --- born, school, job, car, money, sex, house, die. NEXT.
People focus their attention on absolute rubbish.
Regardless of the AGW debate, this is unfortunately all too true.

Status, ultimately at the expense of our children.
 
The cycle is --- born, school, job, car, money, sex, house, die. NEXT.
It's a real worry when you realises that most have done 75% of it before they're an adult. Doesn't leave anything to look forward to apart from a mortgage then death...
 
It's a real worry when you realises that most have done 75% of it before they're an adult. Doesn't leave anything to look forward to apart from a mortgage then death...

Okay, if the comfort zone is being reached quicker these days (generally speaking) then that leaves a tremendous amount of time for these people to do something positive about the environment.Either on a personal level such as sorting household waste consciously and effectively e.g. paper, glass, aluminium, ferrous and non-ferrous metal and food scraps.

Or on a local level by maintaining a tidy neighbourhood, participating in (or even organising) clean up days.Educate others, pass the word around that water, energy, plants and animals are precious or show by example.

If anyone can think of other ways then fire away.I`m sure someone will wake up.
 
More rubbish.... when I read this utter, utter, rubbish I just shake my head. Unbelievable....

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23724412-2,00.html


That`s about as smart as introducing cane toads to eat scarab beetles in Nth. Queensland.
Before we do things we must think of the consequences of our actions.This is a consistent flaw in the mind of human and i`m no exception.It doesn`t seem to come naturally and has to be taught.(what are the consequences/effects)

The natural range of Cane Toads extends from the southern United States to tropical South America. They were deliberately introduced from Hawaii to Australia in 1935, to control scarab beetles that were pests of sugar cane.
 
- I'm sure there's a middle road that permits some development (damned site less that we have at the moment I concede) -

A balance can be struck!We can be more conscious about preserving life on this planet and live less destructive lifestyles.
There was a smarty who invented the internal combustion engine.Another must be getting close to showing up again with a renewable energy powered automobile that replaces these mass polluters (and i`m guilty too).Thing is, when we are young we don`t give a damn.

Governments with tax money could make a concerted effort to fast track technology, change now, make the transition to renewables, whatever it takes.
 
Agree .. complete tosh

Please tell me this bloke was not one of the scientists used by the IPCC`s model?
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Flannery

the man's a genius (imho) - even Suzuki "praised Flannery's "powerful insight into our current destructive path.""

my money's on Flannery - you blokes can bet on each other
 
the man's a genius (imho) - even Suzuki "praised Flannery's "powerful insight into our current destructive path.""

my money's on Flannery - you blokes can bet on each other


Don`t have any issue with this at all....

but on the introduction of sulphur

"We need to be ready to start doing it in perhaps five years time if we fail to achieve what we're trying to achieve."

He conceded there were risks to global dimming via sulphur.

"The consequences of doing that are unknown."

:homer:
 
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