I'm not into bragging about my environmental credentials, it is unverifiable anyway. But as a general point Suzuki's challenge is aimed at the Canadian consumer. Some people here in the UK and Europe already go much further than what he is suggesting.
Re umbrellas: Did you miss the point?
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anthropogenic = manmadeAGW? what is this? a new religious branch of the GW religion? seriously...? what does the 'A' stand for?
an·thro·po·mor·phic
–adjective 1. ascribing human form or attributes to a being or thing not human, esp. to a deity.
2. resembling or made to resemble a human form: .
an·thro·po·gen·ic
adj. Of or relating to anthropogenesis. Caused by humans: anthropogenic degradation of the environment.
As a climate scientist, Suzuki makes a great zoologist.
I'd love to stick around and indulge in this futile pissing contest a bit longer, but I'm going to :sleeping:
...and I'm sure everybody else is finding it all a bit tiresome by now.
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=211968&highlight=conferencing#post211968
I try to do these things by video conferencing - it has cost me jobs in the past - big clients can be very demanding. They say "meeting next week, be there or be square". I usually reply "surely video would be adequate?". I have seriously had to fly to interstate meetings which were always going to be a waste of time ... ahh I'll skip the detail. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about.
David Suzuki Foundation sending observer to Bangkok for UN climate change talks
March 28, 2008 The David Suzuki Foundation is sending an official observer to next week's United Nations climate change conference in Bangkok, Thailand.
Dale Marshall, the Suzuki Foundation's climate change policy analyst, will be in Bangkok to monitor the conference. He will be available from March 31st to April 4th to speak to Canadian journalist about the talks.
The week-long conference, which runs from Monday March 31st to Friday April 4th, will focus on discussions about the kind of emission reduction targets developed countries will take on during the second phase of the Kyoto Protocol starting in 2012.
The Bangkok climate talks mark the first round of negotiations since the Bali conference last year. The talks are crucial to the development of a new post-2012 climate agreement, which will be finalized at the UN climate change conference in Copenhagen in 2009.
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/climate_change/
http://www.davidsuzuki.org/files/climate/10_ways_to_stop_global_warming_web.pdf
metric ... artists impression ok ..2020 said:ever seen him without his shirt on?
Agreed with the notion of taking the cautious approach.well my attitude (given the consequences of getting this wrong) is as follows:-
until AGW is proven to be wrong
then I'm happy that the leaders of the world are ignoring the nay-sayers.
(call this option 3 above - as a fallback)
PS to say nothing of the fact that there will be benefits on side issues like general pollution.
I think some of the rest are gonna die in the trenches rather than accept any positives of supporting reforestation, reduction in CO2 and other pollution, a new mindset that makes us more environmentally aware about all manner of environmental matters - recycling, waste, plastic, methane, mercury, CFC pollution, wildlife awareness, alternative cleaner energy, less fossil fuels etcetc .
Think I'm wasting my breath trying.
I'd love to stick around and indulge in this futile pissing contest a bit longer, but I'm going to :sleeping:
...and I'm sure everybody else is finding it all a bit tiresome by now.
wayne said:I have a question for you: Do umbrellas cause rain?
Mark-Twain said:"A banker is a fellow who lends you his umbrella when the sun is shining,
but wants it back the minute it begins to rain."
Reminds me of being taught the folly of coal-fired power in grade 3 and yes we were marked on it. The main point wasn't climate change but the finite nature of fossil fuels and atmospheric pollution, including mercury, sulphur etc emissions.we had lunch today with some friends of ours. maria is a school teacher, of retirement age. she doesnt really need to work as they are well off. however, they both do, as it keeps them active.
maria is leaving teaching this year as she doesnt agree with some of the stuff she is being instructed to teach. one of the subjects is GW. study material is supplied, complete with al gores video 'the incomplete truth'. (sic) (parts of the video)
children are also being marked on this propaganda. i cant wait till they try and teach this dribble to my kids.
Reminds me of being taught the folly of coal-fired power in grade 3 and yes we were marked on it. The main point wasn't climate change but the finite nature of fossil fuels and atmospheric pollution, including mercury, sulphur etc emissions.
Global Warming! What Global Warming?
Have just read an interesting article in today's Courier Mail written by Bob Carter who is A Research Professor in geology and enviromental science at James Cok University, Townsville.
..2m00markon the subject of observed global warming , if you look at the great bulk of the world's climate scientists, around 98% of them really accept that basic science, - that is as close to certain - almost - as you can get - in relation to science.
Yet there are uncertainties, essentially about the future - and a future prediction is always going to be uncertain - and that's why, when you look at the IPCC reports, you have scenarios - lower, middle, and upper scenarios - and for mine, I very much hope they are wrong .
I very much hope we don’t HAVE a problem. But I think when you look at the balance of evidence, we DO. So when you look at those scenarios, and where we are travelling in relation to that warming , where it actually gets scary is not with the warming effects, it's with the severe climate effects are going to be of that warming.
And that's when we had briefings - from major scientists and others - at 10 Downing St, THAT's when it gets very frightening. That's when scientists actually become ashen faced. , and say "well, I can't really say what is really gonna happen with THAT amount of carbon in the atmosphere, and THAT amount of warming, and therefore what's gonna happen with respect to severe weather.
THat's when this issue is not actually about science.
It's about security
It's about economic security
It's about our physical security
in relation to the human population movements that may well occur IF the future predictions prove even half right.
(someone who has been mentioned by Bob Carter), David Attenborough , someone who has taken quite a while to get involved in this debate , has put together an absolutely fantastic documentary which is looking at THE LEVEL OF RISK that the world is placed under by this problem
and problem it is
and big problem it is.
the industry for at least a decade in Australia, has acknowledged the reality of global warming, the contribution of man-made CO2 - and other greenhouse gases - and importantly recognises that the potential risks associated with climate change are such that action is required. We HAVE to take action, and we as a producing industry have an important roll there,,, etc
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