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Global Warming - How Valid and Serious?

What do you think of global warming?

  • There is no reliable evidence that indicates global warming (GW)

    Votes: 8 5.2%
  • There is GW, but the manmade contribution is UNPROVEN (brd),- and we should ignore it

    Votes: 12 7.8%
  • Ditto - but we should act to reduce greenhouse gas effects anyway

    Votes: 46 30.1%
  • There is GW, the manmade contribution is PROVEN (brd), and the matter is not urgent

    Votes: 6 3.9%
  • Ditto but corrective global action is a matter of urgency

    Votes: 79 51.6%
  • Other (plus reasons)

    Votes: 7 4.6%

  • Total voters
    153
I remember reading this sometime back... It's an open resignation letter penned by Chris Landsea (see bio) who at the time was working on hurricane links with GW with the IPCC. Essentially, he resigned because he recognised the IPCC was a sham and he could no longer be involved with a process that had become based on poor science and political ends.

Chris Landsea- About.


Open Letter


Interesting....
 
sorry to interupt wayneL and 2020.

failed (one could argue robbed) presidential candidate al bore says GW non believers are like fringe groups whom dont believe in the moon landing. IMO, he can throw 911 in with that, weapons of mass destruction, and a heap of other stuff...


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/27/60minutes/main3974389.shtml?source=RSS&attr=HOME_3974389

CBS) Self-avowed "P.R. agent for the planet" Al Gore says those who still doubt that global warming is caused by man - among them, Vice President Dick Cheney - are acting like the fringe groups who think the 1969 moon landing never really happened, or who once believed the world is flat.

The former vice president and former presidential candidate talks to 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl in an interview to be broadcast this Sunday, March 30, at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

Confronted by Stahl with the fact some prominent people, including the nation’s vice president, are not convinced that global warming is man-made, Gore responds: "You're talking about Dick Cheney. I think that those people are in such a tiny, tiny minority now with their point of view, they’re almost like the ones who still believe that the moon landing was staged in a movie lot in Arizona and those who believe the world is flat,” says Gore. "That demeans them a little bit, but it's not that far off," he tells Stahl
 
Any comment about Johnny Howard's attitude ferret?

Or Stern or Garnaut ?
Is there perhaps an economic advantage in following any of them on this?

Next question..
Are we wasting our time to even monitor it?:
Or are you so sure that it doesn't matter
and the only important factor here is the mighty dollar -
in your pocket not the third worlds.
 
* You don't read or ignore posts (eg metric's argo post)
* You confuse AGW with environmental degradation. They are two separate issues.
* You want your grandkids to snorkel the barrier reef? Better make a personal stand and stop building bridges for BHP. It might not directly help the reef, but it would be a great example... especially to your grandkids.
 

Not wasting time monitoring- By all means, monitor it.

Had you actually taken the time to read all my previous threads you would have seen that "the mighty dollar" is the only thing that would save us from GW, if it were true, and that "the mighty dollar" and free trade is the only thing that will save third world countries.

Do try and keep up....
 
Meeting between Rudd and Bush - no mention of GW.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/03/29/2202407.htm?section=justin


bit like last time they met in Sydney I guess...


 

1. so are you saying that the evidence that AGW is proven wrong is given in someone else's post?

2. no , I am saying that the other matters come with it - reforestation is a way to get carbon credits yes? - directly encouraged by Kyoto incidentally.

3. I know enough to know there's damn all I can do alone. Somehow I have to try to convince others to participate. - the good news is that the general community - including some pretty smart university dudes - are totally behind the message of Kyoto, whether prophylactic or otherwise. And so - looking at that poll at the start of this thread - what (at most) 17% of people on this forum think (i.e. ignore Kyoto) doesn't really matter in the end.

btw, the goal of 1.9% reduction in CO2e per annum is manageable , whether or not BHP has bridges.

PS that's 1.9% per annum - provided we start today (i.e. to limit temp rise to 2degC)
it's 2.5% per annum if we wait 7 years
 
https://www.aussiestockforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198186
......
ask people who have lived with apes, and chimps, and "kings of beasts"
which laws of jungle matter most, and which ones matter least
man, self-styled "Lord of all things" – surely gets the dunce's cap
and God must rue he made man king – and give the rest a rap.

you search the traits of this small world, the “traitors” carved in granite
you’ll see how much God screwed up / erred - when he chose the world to "man-it"
you watch "the Planet of the Apes", which God has “boy-and-girled”
...
which other creature first pack rapes - and then PACK RAPES THE WORLD. ?
 
If all respondents to this heated thread turned off their PC's for one hour and refused to type another word during that time (I know, that sort of restraint would be extrememly difficult), at least 25kg of CO2 could be saved.......


LOL



AJ
 
If all respondents to this heated thread turned off their PC's for one hour and refused to type another word during that time (I know, that sort of restraint would be extrememly difficult), at least 25kg of CO2 could be saved.......
AJ - you're right of course -
83% here are pro Kyoto -
I think some of the rest are gonna die in the trenches rather than accept any positives of supporting reforestation, reduction in CO2 and other pollution, a new mindset that makes us more environmentally aware about all manner of environmental matters - recycling, waste, plastic, methane, mercury, CFC pollution, wildlife awareness, alternative cleaner energy, less fossil fuels etcetc .

Think I'm wasting my breath trying.
 

WTF??? 2020... I think it's time for a bex and a good lie down, yes? You've got a big night tonight.. "Earth Hour". Maybe you should have a break, collect your thoughts and have a snooze...
 

lol... The irony is lost....

Fact is we could turn off for 20 hours and nothing would be saved. Power station still produces the same amount of energy, still burns the same amount of coal. The only thing that changes is the output to the grid. Nothing saved... nothing gained.... no reduction of anything.
 
1 I know enough to know there's damn all I can do alone. Somehow I have to try to convince others to participate.
So you do nothing, yet try to convince others to do something?

You are a true Al Bore disciple. You've got religion.
 
I've changed my mind.

I've bought a Hummer and I drive it around as much as possible. I was trying to prevent snow falling at easter ever again. But alas, that is futile, co2 <> AGW. Now I just drive it around to get my fair share of oil before it runs out

I have a question for you: Do umbrellas cause rain?
 

do umbrellas cause rain - ? - nope. ( perhaps imaginator - or a red indian raindancer would disgaree)

question for you in return
Have you joined your friend David Suzuki's Nature Challenge yet?

PS as for the hummer and the nonreply to my previous question / post - you will no doubt accuse me of a disingenuous post in the near future
 
do umbrellas cause rain - ? - nope. ( perhaps imaginator - or a red indian raindancer would disgaree)

question for you in return
Have you joined your friend David Suzuki's Nature Challenge yet?
I'm not into bragging about my environmental credentials, it is unverifiable anyway. But as a general point Suzuki's challenge is aimed at the Canadian consumer. Some people here in the UK and Europe already go much further than what he is suggesting.

Re umbrellas: Did you miss the point?
 
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