Also fastest growing economies are excluded from Kyoto.
Few years down the track, voters who lost jobs because of hasty signature will probably vote for Liberals to get the job back.
So, St Kev has bowed to "popular" public opinion and jumped in to sign Kyoto.
As Australia now seems destined to exceed its targets under kyoto by about 1 percent, we can all look forward to paying about 1.6bn in fines
Hooray??
Japan, Spain and Italy are all going to (surprise surprise) exceed their targets and will be required to pay a combined 33bn in fines. The vast majority of these fines will be passed on to taxpayers.
I can hear the greeny nutters cheering in the streets....
do fines "fix" the climate?
If correct, now we will have to send some more work offshore to lower the emission, raise taxes or both.
Hooray ??
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=akEM_x0ximjk&refer=japanJapan, Italy and Spain face fines of as much as $33 billion combined for failing to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions as promised under the Kyoto treaty.
Spain will pass 40 percent of the cost for the extra emissions on to businesses, Secretary of State for Energy Ignasi Nieto told journalists in Madrid July 31. The rest will come from taxes.
In Italy, taxpayers will foot 75 percent of the bill for extra permits. ``Italy's behind, and we need to keep cutting emissions,'' said Environment Minister Alfonso Pecoraro Scanio on Sept. 13 in Rome.
Japanese taxpayers will pay for two-thirds of that nation's excess, New Carbon Finance estimated, based on the current sharing between state funding and industry.
On the subject of Kyoto, is there any evidence at this stage that suggest that it's actually working?
How on earth do they even measure it
They are only excluded from the 1990 level requirement they are included in the CDM...the idea was that the big polluters that already had the development/money would pave the way technology wise....however without the Americans it didn't quite work out that way.Also fastest growing economies are excluded from Kyoto.
Few years down the track, voters who lost jobs because of hasty signature will probably vote for Liberals to get the job back.
So, St Kev has bowed to "popular" public opinion and jumped in to sign Kyoto.
As Australia now seems destined to exceed its targets under kyoto by about 1 percent, we can all look forward to paying about 1.6bn in fines
Hooray??
Groan...Never heard much of that again - bit like the ozone layer really.
So, St Kev has bowed to "popular" public opinion and jumped in to sign Kyoto. As Australia now seems destined to exceed its targets under kyoto by about 1 percent, we can all look forward to paying about 1.6bn in fines
Hooray??
Japan, Spain and Italy are all going to (surprise surprise) exceed their targets and will be required to pay a combined 33bn in fines. The vast majority of these fines will be passed on to taxpayers.
I can hear the greeny nutters cheering in the streets....
do fines "fix" the climate?
IMO the question that needs answering is not if the Earth is getting warmer (over a very short recent period of time it may well have, but it's been warmer before) but is it actually mankind that's doing it?
Impact of Labor's climate policies to be quantified: Wong
Posted 3 hours 46 minutes ago
Climate Change Minister Penny Wong has asked her department to calculate the effect of new environmental policies on Australia's ability to meet its Kyoto target.
Current projections show Australia will exceed its greenhouse emissions target by 1 per cent.
Senator Wong says her department will look at how the commitments made by Labor during the election campaign will impact on those projections.
"We need to know what our policies, in particular our renewable energy target of 20 per cent by 2020, we need to know what effect that will have on Australia's emissions," she said.
"So I've asked for that work to be done so we can be clear what our projections are going forward."
New approach to climate change research
Posted 4 hours 10 minutes ago
Updated 3 hours 56 minutes ago
The mysteries of climate change may be uncovered by the work of a new research centre incorporating the Bureau of Meteorology and the CSIRO.
The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research, being launched tomorrow in Canberra will provide a co-ordinated approach to weather and climate research.
Most of the 250 staff will be based in Hobart, Canberra and Melbourne, others will work out of Perth, Brisbane and Darwin.
The Centre's foundation director Chris Mitchell says weather and climate researchers from the Bureau and the CSIRO will work side-by-side.
"The Centre for Australian Weather and Climate Research will combine the vast climate expertise of the Bureau and CSIRO to become an important centre of research excellence," he said.
"Australia has been at the forefront of climate and weather research and the evolving science of Earth systems for many years.
The new joint approach provides a strong focus for climate research that will be absolutely critical for the future of Australia and the world," he said.
The science done at the Centre will be broader than climate change, also looking at ocean prediction, seasonal climate prediction, air quality, severe weather and water management.
The Centre's researchers will also work with the UK Met Office's high-powered computer-based weather and climate prediction program and adapt it to Australian conditions.
Totally agreed we're headed for tariffs and other trade-limiting measures though I think it will happen with or without Kyoto.Wont be long i imagine until kyoto members start placing import tarrifs on non members goods, after all we arnt going to deliver a free trade advantage to others are we, especially ones pillaging the enviroment.
Claim UN was misled on Aust emissions Figures out 'by up to 20pc'
The Howard government misled the United Nations over the scale of its efforts to tackle climate change and meet its Kyoto emission reduction targets, according to senior government sources.
They claim Australia's greenhouse emissions were "considerably higher" than those quoted in a 2005 report to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, and the discrepancy may have been as high as 20 per cent.
Sources say the scale and success of research efforts were also over-stated in the report, with the government boasting of its support for renewable energy programs that were struggling to continue because of federal funding cuts.
The federal government's claims of support for climate change research also came at a time when several senior CSIRO scientists were rebuked and subsequently forced out of their jobs by government pressure for publicly discussing climate change issues.
There are plenty of theories about CO2 emissions, CFC's, CO emissions, methane emissions etc all affecting climate, the ozone layer (remember that was shrinking not so long ago, last I heard it was getting bigger again) but they are really only theories - nothing is proven. And given the consequences either way, shouldn't we still be debating this?
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