Gay Marriage

[Tisme]

I am not a member of a cult Tink, As much as you wish it were, atheist does not mean communist.

Next time you are on your knees in church, pretending to eat the flesh of your God, while your priest pretends to drink his blood, remember that is the craziness of a cult of mad men, you won't find me doing silly stuff like that.

Where will we find you doing silly stuff?

 

[Value Collector]

Where will we find you doing silly stuff?

I have been known to do silly stuff after drinking a lot of alcohol, but I Can't say I have ever had wine and crackers while pretending it was blood and flesh, while standing under a statue of an executed man hanging from a cross, while wearing a model of said execution device around my neck, and feeling happy that this man was tortured and killed because it some how gets rid of my sins, and the symbolic cannibalisation of his body makes me closer to him and then thinking I have some sort of superior moral code because of this craziness.

My poor attempts at drunken karaoke are certainly silly, but it's not in the same ball park as the silliness of tinks delusional blood cult.

 

[SirRumpole]

I have been known to do silly stuff after drinking a lot of alcohol, but I Can't say I have ever had wine and crackers while pretending it was blood and flesh, while standing under a statue of an executed man hanging from a cross, while wearing a model of said execution device around my neck, and feeling happy that this man was tortured and killed because it some how gets rid of my sins, and the symbolic cannibalisation of his body makes me closer to him and then thinking I have some sort of superior moral code because of this craziness.

My poor attempts at drunken karaoke are certainly silly, but it's not in the same ball park as the silliness of tinks delusional blood cult.

You were in the army weren't you ? Doing silly walks around the parade ground may be evidence of a cult behaviour.

 

[Value Collector]

You were in the army weren't you ? Doing silly walks around the parade ground may be evidence of a cult behaviour.

Nah, a Cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.

I don't think the Army would count, as for parade drill I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't being paid, I would have been silly not to do it for the money we got paid lol, and also knowing that refusal of following orders to do drill would have landed me in jail, like the county clerk we were discussing earlier in the thread.

 

[luutzu]

Nah, a Cult is a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
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But isn't that what an army is? "my country, right or wrong", for God and country etc.

Full metal jacket: when I say jump you say how high! do you maggots understand me? The first and last word out of your mouth is "Sir, yes sir!"...

What a great scene... anyway, that's how they break new recruits individuality and questioning authority right?

 

[SirRumpole]

But isn't that what an army is? "my country, right or wrong", for God and country etc.

Full metal jacket: when I say jump you say how high! do you maggots understand me? The first and last word out of your mouth is "Sir, yes sir!"...

What a great scene... anyway, that's how they break new recruits individuality and questioning authority right?

Yep, unquestioning obedience, just like religion.

 

[Value Collector]

But isn't that what an army is? "my country, right or wrong", for God and country etc.

Full metal jacket: when I say jump you say how high! do you maggots understand me? The first and last word out of your mouth is "Sir, yes sir!"...

What a great scene... anyway, that's how they break new recruits individuality and questioning authority right?

basic training is one thing, but it's not like that once you are in your position, Atleast not in the Aussie army.

Offcourse you follow orders, but it's not a religion, though as I have said in other threads extreme nationalism can be a form of religion, and there are members of the army that would be like that, but that's not the organisation as a whole, I am certainly not like that.

 

[sydboy007]

Yep, unquestioning obedience, just like religion.

Slight difference

At least you can get on the phone and have a chat to the head honcho in the military.

I'm pretty sure you can't do the same work most religions, though some cults you might be able to, but that doesn't prove divinity.

Any who, why is this not being discussed I the religion is crazy thread instead?

 

[SirRumpole]

Any who, why is this not being discussed I the religion is crazy thread instead?

Thread drift



Anyway, I didn't think we were talking about gay marriage any more.

Well some aren't anyway.

 

[Tink]

It is always the same bluff in this thread, where they go on about religion, yet many aren't even religious, that have stood firm against same sex marriage.

Rather than talk about how it is suppose to benefit society, they give you a side show.
There are no benefits to same sex marriage, and there is no reason for the government to promote this lifestyle.

Therefore, there is no reason to change marriage, as homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals in Australia.

All this does is give more government control over peoples lives.

 

[Tisme]

All this does is give more government control over peoples lives.

Dilution of freedom of expression for the majority?

As a boy I disliked the autocratic seriousness of govt and process; the drone like existence of work and the limited choice. Then along came the post war baby boomer upheavals and demands for change; the down side was it opened gates to people who couldn't help themselves but make laws to force our behaviours to match their idea of polite and ordered society ... within a generation we went from working for the man to working for the man, same 54it different day, except we can no longer talk about anything without offending someone and filling out apologetic forms and attending counselling (Mao sent people on a long walk to learn how to obey oppression of expression).

 

[SirRumpole]

Dilution of freedom of expression for the majority?

As a boy I disliked the autocratic seriousness of govt and process; the drone like existence of work and the limited choice. Then along came the post war baby boomer upheavals and demands for change; the down side was it opened gates to people who couldn't help themselves but make laws to force our behaviours to match their idea of polite and ordered society ... within a generation we went from working for the man to working for the man, same 54it different day, except we can no longer talk about anything without offending someone and filling out apologetic forms and attending counselling (Mao sent people on a long walk to learn how to obey oppression of expression).

By that, can I infer that you think there is too much PC and too little commonsense ?

 

[Tisme]

By that, can I infer that you think there is too much PC and too little commonsense ?

I think some people need to take the proverbial teaspoon of concrete in their coffee. As if it wasn't hard enough living up to one's mother's demands for obedience, she seems to have morphed into the ubiquitous social construct that controls politics, law and religion.... there's no escape except to the, increasingly litigious, internet with govt sticking its nose into our emails and posts.

I think history tells us that if you squeeze and squeeze freedom in the name of social cohesion, eventually society will rise up and kill itself off, if only to rid itself of the miserable suffocation.

 

[sydboy007]

It is always the same bluff in this thread, where they go on about religion, yet many aren't even religious, that have stood firm against same sex marriage.

Rather than talk about how it is suppose to benefit society, they give you a side show.
There are no benefits to same sex marriage, and there is no reason for the government to promote this lifestyle.

Therefore, there is no reason to change marriage, as homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals in Australia.

All this does is give more government control over peoples lives.

Ah there's a couple of mistakes there tink

* It's not possible to have a legally recognised same sex marriage in Australia, therefore homosexuals DO NOT have the same rights as heterosexuals

* Allowing same sex marriage gives the Govt no more control over people's lives than is currently held.

So exactly how would allowing same sex marriage affect your life. I'd be interested to know the devastating affects you believe it will have.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think some people need to take the proverbial teaspoon of concrete in their coffee. As if it wasn't hard enough living up to one's mother's demands for obedience, she seems to have morphed into the ubiquitous social construct that controls politics, law and religion.... there's no escape except to the, increasingly litigious, internet with govt sticking its nose into our emails and posts.

I think history tells us that if you squeeze and squeeze freedom in the name of social cohesion, eventually society will rise up and kill itself off, if only to rid itself of the miserable suffocation.

Did you see that bit on News24 on the face recognition databases being used by police forces across the country ?

Might be worth starting a thread about privacy vs security.

 

[Tink]

Well you are not the same, you cannot have children on your own, so Marriage stays as is.

Equal is father, mother, child.

We have been through this, and don't give me that PC rubbish that love wins, the pedophile activists are using the same marketing skills in the UK, incest will be next.

I disagree, it is Government Control over families.
What was once private is now made public.

 

[Tisme]

Did you see that bit on News24 on the face recognition databases being used by police forces across the country ?

Might be worth starting a thread about privacy vs security.

Yes I was involved at the frontier technology that included of tagging people's whereabouts and movement control. I became very visceral about abuse of such systems when it became apparent the people funding it had more than worker welfare in mind.

The game gets more serious when rats are cornered and police can't make value judgements in the face of automated decisions and protocol.

I think the next phase will be consolidating databases, including children's court stuff, medical reports, meta data, mobile phone tracking, sexual orientation, etc. and profiling citizens as docile or problematic. I can't see how it won't happen?

 

[Value Collector]

Well you are not the same, you cannot have children on your own, so Marriage stays as is.

Neither can a lot of married straight couples, should their marriages be dissolved by the state?

 

[sydboy007]

Well you are not the same, you cannot have children on your own, so Marriage stays as is.

Equal is father, mother, child.

We have been through this, and don't give me that PC rubbish that love wins, the pedophile activists are using the same marketing skills in the UK, incest will be next.

I disagree, it is Government Control over families.
What was once private is now made public.

You mean the paedophile activists within the Catholic church?

So you are saying you private life will / is now public because of the debate around SS marriage? Could you expand on this please.


If anything, removign the restrictions around SS marriage is REDUCING Govt intervention of people's personal lives. Isn't the Govt banning something a restriction and allowing something freedom of the people?

 

[sydboy007]

Neither can a lot of married straight couples, should their marriages be dissolved by the state?

Yes. maybe you have to produce at least one child by "natural" processes before you can get married

Otherwise you're not really supporting the traditional role of marriage, family etc etc.