Gay Marriage

[McLovin]

Sorry, but the evidence is the rapid spread of HIV/AIDS in the gay community and the fact that this demographic is still in the highest risk group for these diseases.


Of course there would be many gays with steady relationships, but I find it difficult to explain their propensity for the above mentioned diseases by other than a tendency towards promiscuity.

No doubt many have now moderated their behaviour in response to the AIDS epidemic, but the rapid uptake of this in the gay community before the risk was known indicates a many partner behaviour.

Perhaps you can suggest other explanations.

Gay men have more sexual partners, and no doubt that was part of the reason HIV/AIDS spread through the gay community, certain sexual practises between gay men also increased the risk exponentially. Not all gays are men though. In many African countries promiscuity by both men and women (as well as the flat earthers in Rome who say Jesus doesn't like rubber) led to the epidemic in that continent. Gay women don't have the same promiscuity, just like straight women, hence the phrase "U-Haul lesbian".

 

[Tisme]

What most of us know while others hide under the rock of denial.

Remember this is the stable environment that children are to be raised: of course it's all BS to the true believers.

Promiscuity
28% of homosexual men had more than 1000 partners: "Bell and Weinberg reported evidence of widespread sexual compulsion among homosexual men. 83% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated they had had sex with 50 or more partners in their lifetime, 43% estimated they had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners. Bell and Weinberg p 308." (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)

79% of homosexual men say over half of sex partners are strangers: "The survey showed 79% of the respondents saying that over half of their sexual partners were strangers. Seventy percent said that over half of their sexual partners were people with whom they had sex only once. Bell and Weinberg pp.308-309." (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)

Modal range for homosexual sex partners 101-500: "In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al. found that "the modal range for number of sexual partners ever [of homosexuals] was 101–500." In addition, 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent had between 501 and 1000 partners. A further 10.2 percent to 15.7 percent reported having had more than 1000 lifetime sexual partners. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354." (exodusglobalalliance.org/ishomosexualityhealthyp60.php)

1978 study, 78% of gay men ad more than 100 partners, 28% more than 1000: "A far-ranging study of homosexual men published in 1978 revealed that 75 percent of self-identified, white, gay men admitted to having sex with more than 100 different males in their lifetime: 15 percent claimed 100-249 sex partners; 17 percent claimed 250-499; 15 percent claimed 500-999; and 28 percent claimed more than 1,000 lifetime male sex partners. By 1984, after the AIDS epidemic had taken hold, homosexual men were reportedly curtailing promiscuity, but not by much. Instead of more than 6 partners per month in 1982, the average non-monogamous respondent in San Francisco reported having about 4 partners per month in 1984." (catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0075.html)

There is an extremely low rate of sexual fidelity among homosexual men as compared to married heterosexuals. Among married females 85% reported sexual fidelity. Among married men, 75.5% reported sexual fidelity. Among homosexual males in their current relationship, 4.5% reported sexual fidelity. (Sources:Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, "Extramarital Sex," 170. This is extracted from http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02)

https://carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity

 

[luutzu]

You want to produce proofs to the contrary there pixel? Bet you can't except anecdotal evidence.,,,,,, true you can't as much as you try .... then let's talk rubbish

You obviously have an agenda in play

Slow night at the pub McGuiness? Nothing new on YouTube?

 

[luutzu]

What most of us know while others hide under the rock of denial.

Remember this is the stable environment that children are to be raised: of course it's all BS to the true believers.
...
https://carm.org/statistics-homosexual-promiscuity

Maybe they had more partners because society does not permit homosexual partnership. That is, since they cannot carry on having a close relationship with another homosexual; can't be seen walking down the street holding hands; can't bring a gay partner home to meet pa and ma... have to marry into a hetero relationship and all sexual urges have to be at gay bars or in secret.

It's not necessarily due to promiscuity in gays. I mean, we all know at least a few straight people who sleeps around way, way, too easy.

Prove that wrong with studies in legally married gay couples with children.

 

[Value Collector]

Sorry, but the evidence is the rapid spread of HIV/AIDS in the gay community and the fact that this demographic is still in the highest risk group for these diseases.


Of course there would be many gays with steady relationships, but I find it difficult to explain their propensity for the above mentioned diseases by other than a tendency towards promiscuity.

No doubt many have now moderated their behaviour in response to the AIDS epidemic, but the rapid uptake of this in the gay community before the risk was known indicates a many partner behaviour.

Perhaps you can suggest other explanations.

Firstly did you know that HIV is pretty much non existent in the lesbian community, who make up 50% of the people with the gay label.

Secondly the spread of the disease can be put down to two things.

1, before the disease was well known, the only reason for using protection was birth control, so women insisting on using condoms during their "promiscuity" protects them.

2, promiscuity isn't a gay man thing, it's a man thing, all straight men would have a lot more sex is the average women was up for a one night stand as they were.

 

[pixel]

You want to produce proofs to the contrary there pixel? Bet you can't except anecdotal evidence.,,,,,, true you can't as much as you try .... then let's talk rubbish

You obviously have an agenda in play

yes, I do have an agenda.
It is about treating people with respect, regardless of their skin colour, creed, sexual orientation, or social class. If a few individuals prove through their actions or words that they do not deserve the respect, I haven't lost anything. They may have lost their dignity,but it's odds-on they don't know the difference.

 

[Junior]

2, promiscuity isn't a gay man thing, it's a man thing, all straight men would have a lot more sex is the average women was up for a one night stand as they were.

Absolutely correct.

Having hung around with a lot of single, male friends in my 20s....they were always trying to 'pick up', and almost always failed! If there were a bar full of willing females, the way that gay guys have gay clubs....well they would also get to 'more than 1,000' partners pretty quickly! This is evidenced by the average number of sex partners a rock star has!!

It's not a gay thing, it's a male thing.

 

[Tink]

Another thing, is the giving blood, that they said they were discriminated against.

You can't push these things and infect the rest of the community.

 

[Tisme]

Gay men have more sexual partners, and no doubt that was part of the reason HIV/AIDS spread through the gay community, certain sexual practises between gay men also increased the risk exponentially. Not all gays are men though..

We should discriminate based on gender?

 

[Tisme]

yes, I do have an agenda.
It is about treating people with respect, regardless of their skin colour, creed, sexual orientation, or social class. If a few individuals prove through their actions or words that they do not deserve the respect, I haven't lost anything. They may have lost their dignity,but it's odds-on they don't know the difference.

That's a noble thought, but what dangers to community, accompany those? Realistically any decision we make should be balanced by facts, not driven purely by bias and emotion.

 

[McLovin]

We should discriminate based on gender?

Err no.

You obviously have an agenda in play

Lol. Says the guy with 198 posts in this thread.

 

[Tisme]

2, promiscuity isn't a gay man thing, it's a man thing, all straight men would have a lot more sex is the average women was up for a one night stand as they were.

That's an absolute nonsense statement and you know it. By all means you have a right to your stubborn refusal to accept the consequences, but please don't insult people's intelligence by insinuating the vast majority of hetrosexual men are anywhere near the promiscuity average of homosexual men.

Have any of you supporters ever been to a gay club? Have you ever bothered actually investigating their sexual activities?

I'm fairly sure the drive from people like your good self is predicated on personal experience of an individual you may have met, be it family or someone who did something good/brav/admirable and the sexual orientation has been tagged to that instead of just judging the act itself.

The consistent argument to support homosexual tolerance seems always to cherry pick hetrosexuals at the fringes, not from the norms when comparing the norms.

 

[Tisme]

Err no.



Lol. Says the guy with 198 posts in this thread.

Well then why did you post a distinction between men and women?

I doubt you are actually LOlling. I think you are actually a hetrophobe willing to trade off the majority good for a personal need?

And yes I care about our community

 

[McLovin]

I doubt you are actually LOlling. I think you are actually a hetrophobe willing to trade off the majority good for a personal need?

And yes I care about our community

LOL. So now I'm gay. I'll let my gf know.

200 posts now. Well done.

 

[Tisme]

Absolutely correct.

Having hung around with a lot of single, male friends in my 20s....they were always trying to 'pick up', and almost always failed! If there were a bar full of willing females, the way that gay guys have gay clubs....well they would also get to 'more than 1,000' partners pretty quickly! This is evidenced by the average number of sex partners a rock star has!!

It's not a gay thing, it's a male thing.

I have never met any males who could boast anywhere near that target, even me!!!

The difference is that in an hetrosexual encounter half the equation isn't filling the bars and clubs and they have many factors to consider before they allow copulation. Gang banging, conga lines, etc are not anywher near a norm for hetro males.

 

[Tisme]

LOL. So now I'm gay. I'll let my gf know.

You are not lollong. I clearly wrote I think you are a hetrophobe, I did not state you were a homosexual.

But what you did do was take a bait that many here have done in the past. You have displayed a bias against homosexuality without even knowing you did it by trying to be futive.... think about it.

 

[SirRumpole]

Firstly did you know that HIV is pretty much non existent in the lesbian community, who make up 50% of the people with the gay label.

Lesbians 'bigger risk takers' than straight women


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/oct/24/3

 

[McLovin]

Lesbians 'bigger risk takers' than straight women


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/oct/24/3

It's pretty hard/virtually impossible for a girl to give another girl HIV. It's also ridiculously hard for a girl to give a guy HIV through normal sex.

 

[Tisme]

Lesbians 'bigger risk takers' than straight women


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/oct/24/3

That's interesting... lack of self control it seems. Trisomy or learned behaviour?


also https://www.avert.org/learn-share/hiv-fact-sheets/women-who-have-sex-with-women

 

[Junior]

This whole issue and debate is pretty simple in my mind, people fear what they don't know or understand - this is otherwise referred to as ignorance. And that leads to discrimination.

All it takes is to have one gay friend. To get to know someone on a personal level, who is gay. This is easier for younger people, as it is no longer such a taboo to be openly gay and they will have gone to school with kids who turned out to be gay.

It is harder for the baby boomer generation as they have had it drilled into them by their parents, this this is an not a normal or natural thing. They will have gone to school with kids who knew they were gay, but had to hide and suppress it to get by. The reality is, this is a natural thing for a certain %% of the population.

It is not a 'lifestyle choice', and 'they' are not a threat - to children, to the 'institution' of marriage or to straight people. These are myths borne from ignorance, these myths are thankfully in the process of being dispelled as rubbish and outdated - it will take time.