Gay Marriage

[SirRumpole]

I must admit I haven't followed this debate closely from a legal perspective, but weren't there several court cases in the USA where it was ruled that it was unconstitutional to ban same-sex couples from marrying?

I have a feeling the precedent from one of those major court cases resulted in its legalisation across all US states.

The US is tricky though, there's the whole interaction between State and Federal laws.

Yes, that is so. That's an Internal US matter though. Our laws have not been challenged as being "unconstitutional" in Australia, or if they have then the challenge has been dismissed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

Basically I don't care which way it goes. I just want a vote by plebiscite instead of by lobbied politicians.

 

[McLovin]

I must admit I haven't followed this debate closely from a legal perspective, but weren't there several court cases in the USA where it was ruled that it was unconstitutional to ban same-sex couples from marrying?

I have a feeling the precedent from one of those major court cases resulted in its legalisation across all US states.

The US is tricky though, there's the whole interaction between State and Federal laws.

If something is unconstitutional in the US it applies to both the federal and state. A state cannot deny a US citizen their rights granted by the US Constitution. It's all reconstruction era stuff. It wasn't like Mississippi was just going to rollover in 1865 and emancipate the blacks. They needed a little prodding from Washington.

That doesn't exist in Australia for the few parts of the constitution that somewhat resemble the Bill of Rights.

 

[Ves]

If something is unconstitutional in the US it applies to both the federal and state. A state cannot deny a US citizen their rights granted by the US Constitution. It's all reconstruction era stuff. It wasn't like Mississippi was just going to rollover in 1865 and emancipate the blacks. They needed a little prodding from Washington.

That doesn't exist in Australia for the few parts of the constitution that somewhat resemble the Bill of Rights.

Thanks mate, that clears it up for me.

 

[sr20de]

Gay Marriage and the End of Civilization

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH-lay7fbno

I am sure all investors are aware of such information.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_(radio_personality)

 

[Tisme]

Tim Wilson ... boo hoo.. so much sacrifice ...fricken cry baby who has had a privileged ride into the public service and now parliament because he is the Liberal Party's token gay as Penny Wong is to the Labor Party.

What about all those muslim men out there that can't marry a second, third, etc concubine? What about all those Oedipus suffering wierdos who merely want to marry their parent? Both sound ludicrous, but so was the notion of homosexuality a generation ago, let alone them being venerated, promoted and the laws bending to give them privilege over all other people with stunted or arrested development.

 

[SirRumpole]

Tim Wilson ... boo hoo.. so much sacrifice ...fricken cry baby who has had a privileged ride into the public service and now parliament because he is the Liberal Party's token gay as Penny Wong is to the Labor Party.

What about all those muslim men out there that can't marry a second, third, etc concubine? What about all those Oedipus suffering wierdos who merely want to marry their parent? Both sound ludicrous, but so was the notion of homosexuality a generation ago, let alone them being venerated, promoted and the laws bending to give them privilege over all other people with stunted or arrested development.

I find it interesting that some who promote Gay Marriage want the Parliament to decide the question instead of the great unwashed.

Parliament has already decided the question (a number of times), but some won't take NO for an answer. Maybe they should just accept the rational decision making processes of our Parliamentary representatives and just shut up.

 

[Tisme]

I find it interesting that some who promote Gay Marriage want the Parliament to decide the question instead of the great unwashed.

Parliament has already decided the question (a number of times), but some won't take NO for an answer. Maybe they should just accept the rational decision making processes of our Parliamentary representatives and just shut up.

I consider you the pioneer of the plebiscite call, as it was you who championed it all those years ago, which also met with opposition from the resident gays and social engineers on that forum. While we may have differences that prevent us getting a room, I'm rock solid behind you on the plebiscite.

 

[SirRumpole]

I consider you the pioneer of the plebiscite call, as it was you who championed it all those years ago, which also met with opposition from the resident gays and social engineers on that forum. While we may have differences that prevent us getting a room, I'm rock solid behind you on the plebiscite.

Maybe we should have a plebiscite on whether we should have a plebiscite.

 

[Tisme]

Apparently 53% of young people admit to witness bullying of gays at school in Ireland, after more than a year of the vote to allow gay marriage.

And I suspect this is probably the real truth behind the facade of tolerance (human nature in play):


http://www.thejournal.ie/gay-couple-restaurant-2415703-Oct2015/

 

[luutzu]

I consider you the pioneer of the plebiscite call, as it was you who championed it all those years ago, which also met with opposition from the resident gays and social engineers on that forum. While we may have differences that prevent us getting a room, I'm rock solid behind you on the plebiscite.

You sure it's not the Gay Marriage thing that's preventing you two from getting a room? That and the good olde Christian value upbringing?

It's good to hear you're rock hard solid behind somebody ha ha

 

[Tink]

As I said, good on the brave politicians (and journalists) standing up for our freedom of speech.

I also say the same to people like you, Tisme, men and women that stand up with courage and conviction for the FAMILY.

Marriage is about sacrifice and FAMILY, the next generation, the children, otherwise the state would not be involved in it.

They cannot have children naturally, and that is the truth.

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The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
entitled to protection by society and the State.

As was written by qldfrog.

That is Marriage -- The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
entitled to protection by society and the State.

Same sex marriage over rides this, therefore it should not be implemented, imv.

Anyone that talks about the family unit is branded 'hateful' by the Left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnzpMKb-Wk4

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As for Tim Wilson and others, we didn't raise our children that if you cry enough, you will get it.
There has to be a reason for implementing something and making changes.
They have their civil unions which gives them the same rights in my view.

 

[pixel]

Marriage is about sacrifice and FAMILY, the next generation, the children, otherwise the state would not be involved in it.

They cannot have children naturally, and that is the truth.

When did 'the state' start to care about the next generation? At best, our gov'mint is concerned about taxes: lower for the companies, higher for the Labor-voting rubble.

By that (il)logic of yours, infertile couples must then also be banned from marrying, because "They cannot have children naturally"
And what about all those single parents? Turn the clock back and take the babies off unwed mothers, place them in foster care of nice white Christian families? Yeah - that worked very well in the 1940's, didn't it.

 

[Tisme]

You sure it's not the Gay Marriage thing that's preventing you two from getting a room? That and the good olde Christian value upbringing?

It's good to hear you're rock hard solid behind somebody ha ha

I'm not sure what you are implying ...

 

[Value Collector]

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They cannot have children naturally, and that is the truth.

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Neither can a lot of straight couples, since when has that been a prerequisite of marriage?

Hell, I have seen 70 year old couples get married, should we be banning that?

The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is
entitled to protection by society and the State.

I agree, but you only want to protect the nuclear family.

 

[Tisme]

blah blah yadda yadda


I agree, but you only want to protect the nuclear family.

I would have had said Tink wants to protect familialism ...something homosexuals by and large are not known for, given their penchant for promiscuity.

 

[pixel]

I would have had said Tink wants to protect familialism ...something homosexuals by and large are not known for, given their penchant for promiscuity.

What utter rubbish! What an objectionable accusation! Despicable!
Honestly: Which planet do you live on? What century shaped your world view?

It is bigoted statements like that, without a shred of evidence to support them, that cause hurt and depression among the many humans that happen NOT to fall within the narrow-minded norms set by yesteryear's vociferous hypocrites.

 

[SirRumpole]

What utter rubbish! What an objectionable accusation! Despicable!
Honestly: Which planet do you live on? What century shaped your world view?

It is bigoted statements like that, without a shred of evidence to support them, that cause hurt and depression among the many humans that happen NOT to fall within the narrow-minded norms set by yesteryear's vociferous hypocrites.

Sorry, but the evidence is the rapid spread of HIV/AIDS in the gay community and the fact that this demographic is still in the highest risk group for these diseases.


Of course there would be many gays with steady relationships, but I find it difficult to explain their propensity for the above mentioned diseases by other than a tendency towards promiscuity.

No doubt many have now moderated their behaviour in response to the AIDS epidemic, but the rapid uptake of this in the gay community before the risk was known indicates a many partner behaviour.

Perhaps you can suggest other explanations.

 

[noco]

Things don't look bright in the Green camp ATM.

SHY is in revenge with her leader Di Natalie over being moved from the shadow immigration portfolio.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...e/news-story/dfd0acc676c0e1a1f938e68fe7cb700e


Sarah Hanson-Young has flagged she might split from the Greens and support a plebiscite if attempts to legislate same-sex marriage fail.

“Nothing isn’t an option for me,” the senator told Sky News on Thursday amid concerns the issue could be off parliament’s agenda for three years if a government plan for a plebiscite is rejected by the upper house. Senator Hanson-Young said she would prefer the parliament exhaust all legislative avenues before considering a plebiscite.

Ms Hanson-Young was last week removed from the high-profile immigration portfolio in the Greens’ post-election reshuffle, taking up the trade and finance portfolios.

Greens leader Richard di Natale defended her removal from the position, which she was said to be “bitterly upset’’ about.

“I fought hard to keep the immigration portfolio, but ultimately it was a decision of the leader of the party,” Senator Hanson-Young said, adding she would “never stop fighting for people seeking asylum”.

 

[luutzu]

When did 'the state' start to care about the next generation? At best, our gov'mint is concerned about taxes: lower for the companies, higher for the Labor-voting rubble.

By that (il)logic of yours, infertile couples must then also be banned from marrying, because "They cannot have children naturally"
And what about all those single parents? Turn the clock back and take the babies off unwed mothers, place them in foster care of nice white Christian families? Yeah - that worked very well in the 1940's, didn't it.

Speaking of tax... Apple today got fine [?] 13Billion Euro for tax avoidance, plus interests.

Apparently it is against Eurozone law for the Irish to offer Apple a special, one-of-a-kind tax deal where they get to set up a not at all shell company in Ireland, send back all revenues earned in other Euro countries... avoid those taxes and pay Ireland an awesome... wait for it... 0.005% corporation tax.

Those liberal hippy Euro didn't much like that... and so Apple call its White House, get uncle Sam involve; Ireland is also not happy about the Euro wanting to stifle competition and innovation and destroy jobs...

So Ireland has a corporate tax rate of 12.5%... Apple thought that that's too high... so 0.005? Deal!

Its VAT [GST] tax is a whopping 23%. Fark. I thought they're drunk but this is dead-drunk sign right here kind of dealing.


and just to stay on topic... Apple's CEO is also gay.

So who said gay people don't know how to look after their pesky shareholders. They could do that, and ruin economies, as the best of them hetero.

 

[Tisme]

What utter rubbish! What an objectionable accusation! Despicable!
Honestly: Which planet do you live on? What century shaped your world view?

It is bigoted statements like that, without a shred of evidence to support them, that cause hurt and depression among the many humans that happen NOT to fall within the narrow-minded norms set by yesteryear's vociferous hypocrites.

You want to produce proofs to the contrary there pixel? Bet you can't except anecdotal evidence.,,,,,, true you can't as much as you try .... then let's talk rubbish

You obviously have an agenda in play