Freedom of speech and protest

wayneL said:

I love how Milo is forcing the left to use the worst excesses of their putrid misrepresentation tactic and name calling to delude themselves that he is all the -isms and -phobes.

If so, just debate him instead of scurrying off into dark corners like cockroaches and baying like mongrel dogs.

Go on, I challenge any one of you.

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Generally I don't think that either ultra Right or ultra Left ideologues are worth the breath debating.

People like that just don't listen to reason.

SirRumpole said:

Generally I don't think that either ultra Right or ultra Left ideologues are worth the breath debating.

People like that just don't listen to reason.

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This is the thing Horace, they're is nothing ultra right about Milo.

A provocatuer, yes. A white supremicist, racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist!?

Not on your Nellie. You're a smart man Horace, stop uncritically swallowing the Moonbattery of the Grauniad and other left wing rags.

I know you share some opinions bro.

Milo is just a provocatuer. He sprouts whatever nasty supremicist, racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist dribble he needs to get the howls of approval from the people who want to hear their hatred echoed from an attractive, sassy, take no prisoners mouthpiece.

That's why he uses pictures of a teenage Clemintine Ford with "UNFUCKABLE" across it in his shows.
That's why he also calls her a "fat xxxt" in his shows. That also gets the whoops from the ferals.

His act consists of repeating back to white conservatives, in exaggerated form, what they already think.

On Monday night he called Muslims rapists and terrorists. He denounced the demographic shifts in Europe as an existential threat – London was “already gone”, he said. He mocked feminists and explained, to a chorus of approving laughter, that Aboriginal art was “crap” and “really ****”.

He is your kind of guy Wayne. Keep him.

Anyone interested in how Milo and Steve Bannon and Briebart are constructing their Alt -Right philosophy?

Here's How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The Mainstream
A cache of documents obtained by BuzzFeed News reveals the truth about Steve Bannon’s alt-right “killing machine.”

Posted on October 6, 2017, at 8:28 a.m.

Joseph Bernstein
BuzzFeed News Reporter

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In August, after a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville ended in murder, Steve Bannon insisted that "there's no room in American society" for neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, and the KKK.

But an explosive cache of documents obtained by BuzzFeed News proves that there was plenty of room for those voices on his website.

During the 2016 presidential campaign, under Bannon’s leadership, Breitbart courted the alt-right — the insurgent, racist right-wing movement that helped sweep Donald Trump to power. The former White House chief strategist famously remarked that he wanted Breitbart to be “the platform for the alt-right.”


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Milo Yiannopoulos at the University of California, Berkeley, on September 24.

The Breitbart employee closest to the alt-right was Milo Yiannopoulos, the site’s former tech editor known best for his outrageous public provocations, such as last year’s Dangerous Faggot speaking tour and September’s canceled Free Speech Week in Berkeley. For more than a year, Yiannopoulos led the site in a coy dance around the movement’s nastier edges, writing stories that minimized the role of neo-Nazis and white nationalists while giving its politer voices “a fair hearing.” In March, Breitbart editor Alex Marlow insisted “we’re not a hate site.” Breitbart’s media relations staff repeatedly threatened to sue outlets that described Yiannopoulos as racist. And after the violent white supremacist protest in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August, Breitbart published an article explaining that when Bannon said the site welcomed the alt-right, he was merely referring to “computer gamers and blue-collar voters who hated the GOP brand.”

These new emails and documents, however, clearly show that Breitbart does more than tolerate the most hate-filled, racist voices of the alt-right. It thrives on them, fueling and being fueled by some of the most toxic beliefs on the political spectrum — and clearing the way for them to enter the American mainstream.

It’s a relationship illustrated most starkly by a previously unreleased April 2016 video in which Yiannopoulos sings “America the Beautiful” in a Dallas karaoke bar as admirers, including the white nationalist Richard Spencer, raise their arms in Nazi salutes.

These documents chart the Breitbart alt-right universe. They reveal how the website — and, in particular, Yiannopoulos — links the Mercer family, the billionaires who fund Breitbart, to underpaid trolls who fill it with provocative content, and to extremists striving to create a white ethnostate.

They capture what Bannon calls his “killing machine” in action, as it dredges up the resentments of people around the world, sifts through these grievances for ideas and content, and propels them from the unsavory parts of the internet up to TrumpWorld, collecting advertisers’ checks all along the way.

And the cache of emails — some of the most newsworthy of which BuzzFeed News is now making public — expose the extent to which this machine depended on Yiannopoulos, who channeled voices both inside and outside the establishment into a clear narrative about the threat liberal discourse posed to America. The emails tell the story of Steve Bannon’s grand plan for Yiannopoulos, whom the Breitbart executive chairman transformed from a charismatic young editor into a conservative media star capable of magnetizing a new generation of reactionary anger. Often, the documents reveal, this anger came from a legion of secret sympathizers in Silicon Valley, Hollywood, academia, suburbia, and everywhere in between.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbern...te-nationalism?utm_term=.gmXm0GVEE#.ngpRyZo44

basilio said:

Milo is just a provocatuer. He sprouts whatever nasty supremicist, racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist dribble he needs to get the howls of approval from the people who want to hear their hatred echoed from an attractive, sassy, take no prisoners mouthpiece.

That's why he uses pictures of a teenage Clemintine Ford with "UNFUCKABLE" across it in his shows.
That's why he also calls her a "fat xxxt" in his shows. That also gets the whoops from the ferals.

His act consists of repeating back to white conservatives, in exaggerated form, what they already think.

On Monday night he called Muslims rapists and terrorists. He denounced the demographic shifts in Europe as an existential threat – London was “already gone”, he said. He mocked feminists and explained, to a chorus of approving laughter, that Aboriginal art was “crap” and “really ****”.

He is your kind of guy Wayne. Keep him.

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All while leftists attacked people on the street outside with weapons.

Buzzfeed! LMFAO.

The left doesn't like their own rules played back at them, hey.

Learn to enjoy it up you bas, this is just the start.... and its clowns like you who've open Pandora's box.

basilio said:

On Monday night he called Muslims rapists and terrorists. He denounced the demographic shifts in Europe as an existential threat – London was “already gone”, he said.

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And anything not true in the above? Want to send your daughter to live and stay in London?Have grandchildren in western europe today? At least they will not have problem with people like me, or Wayne that is for sure!!!!!You can convert today to the religion of peace.You will be ready

qldfrog said:

And anything not true in the above?

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Yes, the bit that suggests all muslims are rapists and terrorists.

On Monday night he called Muslims rapists and terrorists. He denounced the demographic shifts in Europe as an existential threat – London was “already gone”, he said.

And anything not true in the above? Want to send your daughter to live and stay in London?Have grandchildren in western europe today? At least they will not have problem with people like me, or Wayne that is for sure!!!!!You can convert today to the religion of peace.You will be ready Mojo

Perhaps this exchange says it all. One outrageous provocatour denounces 1.3 Billion men, women and children as rapists and terrorists on the basis of their religion.

As a result 100/1000/10,000 other people accept such an outrageous statement and kick off "debate" ( actually in fact mindless, vicious abuse ) about how our society has to protect itself from these 1.3 billion rapists and terrorists.

I suggest the language used and the mindless way it is echoed is the overwhelming problem.

As usual the far left is playing right into Milo Yiannopoulos' hands. By playing the role of thugs and violent repressors of free speech they are giving him all the publicity he craves and selling more tickets for him. Had the far left just stayed at home, the mainstream media wouldn't have given him nearly as much attention and he would have come and gone without much fanfare.

Why do the left keep shooting themselves in the foot by using violence and thuggery as a tactic? They have come off looking worse than Milo.

By the way who attacked who at the rally ? I'd bet London to a brick it was the Alt Right thugs who started this fight. Essentially they want to have pictures of mayhem on their website. Makes them feel/look good. Real men with bovver boots. Of course The Hun and Murdoch Press need no excuse to damn the protesters for responding and claiming they initiated the fighting.

It will be interesting to see what police and video evidence makes of the situation.

greggles said:

Why do the left keep shooting themselves in the foot by using violence and thuggery as a tactic? They have come off looking worse than Milo.

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Milo has a great explanation for that, essentially, in the absence of logic, all they have is violence and thuggery.

Eg

http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...s/news-story/d6d14c796368507b67edd900ed399e67

CONTROVERSIAL British commentator Milo Yiannopoulos has been forced to ramp up security and keep the location of his Sydney show secret until the last minute after receiving multiple death threats.

Penthouse publisher and tour promoter Damien Costas told news.com.au that Yiannopoulos and his team “know for a fact there is going to be a repeat incident” in Sydney tonight of violent clashes that took place in Melbourne yesterday. One man has already been arrested outside the event at Le Montage in Lilyfield, about 6.15pm. It is unknown if he has been charged.

It sounds like Milo is a shoe-in for Donald Trumps next Immigration Secretary.

basilio said:

By the way who attacked who at the rally ? I'd bet London to a brick it was the Alt Right thugs who started this fight. Essentially they want to have pictures of mayhem on their website. Makes them feel/look good. Real men with bovver boots. Of course The Hun and Murdoch Press need no excuse to damn the protesters for responding and claiming they initiated the fighting.

It will be interesting to see what police and video evidence makes of the situation.

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basilio said:

By the way who attacked who at the rally ? I'd bet London to a brick it was the Alt Right thugs who started this fight. Essentially they want to have pictures of mayhem on their website. Makes them feel/look good. Real men with bovver boots. Of course The Hun and Murdoch Press need no excuse to damn the protesters for responding and claiming they initiated the fighting.

It will be interesting to see what police and video evidence makes of the situation.

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Yeah well you would bet wrong.
Left attacked the right. And were then arrested.
Bring a stick to bash your opponents says it all doesn't it. That same guy has been violent at a few protests.

basilio said:

By the way who attacked who at the rally ? I'd bet London to a brick it was the Alt Right thugs who started this fight. Essentially they want to have pictures of mayhem on their website. Makes them feel/look good. Real men with bovver boots. Of course The Hun and Murdoch Press need no excuse to damn the protesters for responding and claiming they initiated the fighting.

It will be interesting to see what police and video evidence makes of the situation.

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wrong again.
It was the left who instigated.

Yep is was your Komrades bas.


http://www.news.com.au/national/nsw...t/news-story/439b7e5a6670f75661e940c9529cd572

RIGHT-wing activist Avi Yemini has described what he claims really happened during the violent clashes outside Milo Yiannopoulos’ event in Melbourne, saying Australia is in the middle of a “war on freedom of speech.”

The conservative activist and former Israeli soldier took to his Facebook page to post an eight minute video about protests a night earlier that left an police officer with minor injuries after being hit by a rock.

The man who describes himself as a “proud ozraeli” said he was compelled to share his thoughts after seeing media coverage of the event.

“You had a small group of pro-Milo supporters. People who are standing up for freedom of speech. People who are proudly announcing that they are Aussies. You don’t have to agree with all their different schtick,” he said.

“But then you had a massive crowd surrounding the maybe 50 pro-Milo supporters. You had a massive crowd of hundreds ... You had Antifa with their face coverings, you had Muslim women in burkas ... throwing their middle fingers up and calling me a Nazi.”

“Guys this is a war on freedom of speech, there is no two sides here.”

He's not "right" enough for me, he's a homo to start with

basilio said:

I suggest the language used and the mindless way it is echoed is the overwhelming problem.

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Agreed. It's possible to argue rationally about terrorism, religion, immigration etc without stirring people up into a frenzy.

I'm prepared to listen to any argument reasonably expressed and empirically validated, but when it comes to banal rabble rousing the brain turns off.

basilio said:

Milo is just a provocatuer. He sprouts whatever nasty supremicist, racist, homophobic, misogynist, fascist dribble he needs to get the howls of approval from the people who want to hear their hatred echoed from an attractive, sassy, take no prisoners mouthpiece.

That's why he uses pictures of a teenage Clemintine Ford with "UNFUCKABLE" across it in his shows.
That's why he also calls her a "fat xxxt" in his shows. That also gets the whoops from the ferals.

His act consists of repeating back to white conservatives, in exaggerated form, what they already think.

On Monday night he called Muslims rapists and terrorists. He denounced the demographic shifts in Europe as an existential threat – London was “already gone”, he said. He mocked feminists and explained, to a chorus of approving laughter, that Aboriginal art was “crap” and “really ****”.

He is your kind of guy Wayne. Keep him.

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After having being exposed to my miscreant humour for some time now, I would have thought you would be able to recognise his similar brand and discriminate between the sublime and the ridiculous.

His message is pretty sound though. For too long the agenda has been skewed to accommodate those who aren't talented at the expense of those who are. We are stagnating in favour of a giant global socialist kibbutz

The time has arrived when that 20% of the world's clever people now want to take back what they donoted over the last 3 decades to the lethargic and beige 80%.

Tisme said:

After having being exposed to my miscreant humour for some time now, I would have thought you would be able to recognise his similar brand and discriminate between the sublime and the ridiculous.

His message is pretty sound though. For too long the agenda has been skewed to accommodate those who aren't talented at the expense of those who are. We are stagnating in favour of a giant global socialist kibbutz

The time has arrived when that 20% of the world's clever people now want to take back what they donoted over the last 3 decades to the lethargic and beige 80%.

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I have well recognised your "miscreant" humour Tisme. In fact I've seen it a number of times in the schools I have been a teacher.

There were always the nasty smart alecs. The ones who thought it was fun to terrorise the younger kids by pinching their bags, or clothes, getting them into trouble, needling them, just making life miserable for others because they thought that was fun. But it was always with a smile, a lilt, a laugh. It was just a joke wasn't it ? Long term, low/mid level bullying by intelligent, nasty people with connections.

They were always a tough one to handle. Talks, more talks, detentions, long periods in the DP's office.

In the end we sometimes had to have serious conversations with parents and say their precious petal wasn't using our schools educational facilities to his/her best advantage and that another institution would be more appropriate. We only had to do that with a couple of the ring leaders to pull the others into line and restore a school culture that was respectful of everyone. But sometimes it had to be done.

Alternatively we turned a blind eye when the the poor worms turned and gave the nasty, smart alecs the almighty hiding we as staff couldn't administer.