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And so it continues.
Another FMG exec has departed.
From Evil Murdoch Press
Andrew Forrest’s executive rout is continuing, with newly appointed chief financial officer Christine Morris quitting on Thursday.
She was only appointed to the role in early June, and started in July, after a six-month search for a replacement for long-term finance boss Ian Wells.

Ms Morris’s surprise departure comes only days after the equally sudden resignation of Fiona Hick, chief executive of Fortescue’s mining arm.

Ms Morris was appointed under Ms Hick’s leadership, and her exit is likely to have been linked to the earlier departure, sources say.

The move extends two years of acute turmoil in Fortescue’s senior leadership ranks, extending the turnover in senior executive team members to almost a dozen.
Perhaps some of his team are thinking that the green "revolution" may actually be just going round in circles.
Mick
 
And so it continues.
Another FMG exec has departed.
From Evil Murdoch Press

Perhaps some of his team are thinking that the green "revolution" may actually be just going round in circles.
Mick

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Poor old Twiggy...his biggest investor Peter White dumped his holdings and is calling for Twiggy to step down as chairman. He's certainly churning through exec's. Twiggy is either very bad at hiring exec's or there is something rotten in Demark?
 
Can't blame the media for this one. Not this time . The market says it all and it's truly scary.
Reading the background story on the woeful economic signs coming out of Xi's authoritarian kingdom ,tells you why the dollar ( Not the real one ) is at its current horrible lows.
Australia better watch out. The last thing we ought to be doing , is upsetting the CCP. That lesson ought to have been learned from that fool Morrison . ( and Dutton as well , for that matter )
 
None of the leading indicators of an emerging market crises are showing yet in China. The share prices of Chinese banks have outperformed the share prices of American banks over the past 12 months. This indicates that markets do not see the Chinese banking system at risk of imploding. The Chinese Yuan is stable against the U.S.D. over the past 12 months (although yes its obviously a managed/manipulated currency). The Chinese 10 year government bond yield is currently lower than the U.S. 10 year bond yield indicating that international capital flight from China is not yet occuring and the market does not see heigtened soveriegn risk or crises risk. The iron price is holding up well which would not be the case if China was imploding. There is a lot more that could be said on this topic and to be honest it could be its own thread. Yes there is a risk of China slipping into depression induced by debt deflation but it appears unlikely at this stage. Not to say that things can't change but at this stage it is premature to panic over China collapsing.
 
There has been a military coup in Gabon. Certainly a cause for concern for FMG with their big new mine project. Too early to know what teh outcome will be.

A few other points regarding the Full Year financials.

1) With the formal amalgamation of FFI with FMG to form just Fortescue the financing of renewable energy projects now falls inside the whole company structure. Previously FMG had allocated 10% of its net profits to FFI . Now capital allocations will be determined as a whole of company decision.

2) Dividend payouts were 65% of profits. This fall from last years 78% holds more funds internally for capital works, financial conservatism.

3) There was a $1billion impairment change made against the Iron Bridge project. It certainly cost more than they bargained for. Hopefully it at least works well.

If I can say astrologically stars are not so kind on FMG- personal family issues, executives quitting, anti-press from West Australian a company owned by Seven which also owns largely of Westrac, government focus, cost overrun on projects, are nonaligned stars.
 
Nick Cater writing in the Evil Murdoch Press has a less than sanguin view of Twiggy and his dreams.
The mainstream media drew a discreet veil over the Fortescue Metals chairman’s wild speech to the Boao Forum in Perth last week. Yet if it is a glimpse of the conversation with staff behind closed doors, the only surprising thing about the departure of two senior executives and a board member last week was that it didn’t happen earlier. Forrest is sounding like the people who glue themselves to train tracks instead of the chair of Australia’s third-largest mining corporation.

“Business is causing global warming,” he told the forum. “Business will kill your children. Business is responsible for lethal humidity.” Fortescue exported a record 192 million tonnes of iron ore last year. Forrest told the forum his ambition was to lead the world in ensuring metals and energy are delivered “in a form that won’t kill your children”. It is an indication of how cosily woke the world of corporate investment has become that few have been prepared to call out the recklessness of betting the company’s future on green hydrogen, which has yet to be manufactured at scale anywhere in the world and for which there is not yet a genuine market.

Forrest described hydrogen as the “miracle molecule … the Swiss Army knife of energy and green products” in a speech to the National Press Club two years ago. “To make green hydrogen, you simply split water. Any old water. It can be wastewater, desalinated water, seawater.” Yet hydrogen is not an energy source, it is an energy carrier. It requires a grid-shattering amount of power to produce, roughly 50 TWh (terawatt-hours) per megatonne at an efficiency rate of 67pc.
The heavy consumption of power alone condemns Fortescue’s goal of manufacturing 15Mt by 2030 to the realm of fantasy. It is so far off the dial it makes the government’s target of 82 per cent green electricity by 2030 look puny. In the highly unlikely event Australia is producing 180 TWh of electricity from renewables by 2030, Forrest could gobble the lot and still fall 570 TWh short of what he needs. Fortescue Future Industries NSW manager Joshua Moran set out the scale of the challenge at a conference in May last year. Fortescue will need to deliver 20GW of electrolysers a year by 2029, almost 20 times more than the current global output. It must install 20 wind turbine blades daily, each 80m long, and install 31 million solar modules a year.

It is a measure of the strength of the prevailing vision among the corporate elite and journalists that so few have criticised Forrest’s monomaniacal obsession with green hydrogen. The uncritical woke press has succumbed to groupthink, hailing as a good thing the $2bn government subsidy of the research and development of green hydrogen announced in this year’s budget. Forrest, whose company stands to pocket a substantial chunk of that subsidy, somewhat ungratefully described it as “kicking the can down the road”, suggesting he’d be putting his hand out for more.

He can expect a sympathetic reception since Chris Bowen’s ambition of turning Australia into a green energy export hub rests on the delusion that Australia’s supply of renewables is inexhaustible.
It is not. The supply of wind, solar and hydropower is constrained by the scarcity of land, as Fortescue’s subsidiary, Squadron Energy, is realising as its wind farm proposals struggle against growing community opposition.

The idea Squadron’s renewable energy assets would form part of a vertically integrated business plan with Fortescue’s green hydrogen makes sense for about two seconds. But when the impossibly vast tracts of land required to generate the electricity needed are factored in, it looks barmy.

Squadron claims it will build 30 per cent of the renewable energy required to meet Bowen’s 2030 target or approximately 9GW of nameplate capacity. It has just 2.1GW in operation. The 5.5GW proposed or under construction is hitting roadblocks that put the timetable in doubt.
The most severe setback is in the Upper Burdekin, which was to be financed by a Power Purchase Agreement with Apple. After adverse publicity about the destruction of 749ha of koala habitat and threats to other vulnerable species, the tech giant decided to pull out.
The construction of Squadron’s Clarke Creek wind farm came to an abrupt halt in May for reasons that still need to be fully explained. The lead times for construction mean the company’s renewables target is as fanciful as its plans for green hydrogen. Yet this is Forrest’s vision, which senior executives are required not to question.

Irving L Janis, in his classic 1975 study of groupthink, identifies a lack of vigilance and excessive risk-taking as forms of temporary group derangement to which responsible executives are not immune. The chief executive manipulates his advisers to rubberstamp his own ill-conceived proposals and places subtle constraints to prevent a member from fully exercising his critical powers.
Good businesses do not rely on the vision of one person but use the combined resources of a team each operating within their field of professional competence. A chairman’s role is to temper the excessive zeal of executives. At Fortescue, it’s the other way around.
Mick
 
The theme of the talk was "lethal humidity". The inevitable consequence of rising temperatures. Lethal for animals as well as humans.

Certainly a challenging thought. As he pointed it there are scores of scientists who have been raising this concern. Twiggy is just articulating it publicly to emphasize the need to move at maximum speed to decarbonise industry. His industry in fact.

Is his projected timescale impossible ? Maybe. Suggesting that it all has to be done in Australia is misleading. There are many other countries that can if pushed or as part of joint effort produce the amounts of renewable energy that could displace our current fossil fuel use.

Deciding that global warming is not going to get "that bad" because "well it can't/won't/we don't know" is about as intelligent as sitting on the Titanic after its been ripped by the iceberg and saying essentially the same thing. The challenging reality Twiggy is asserting (from scientific observations) is that the projected possibility of lethal humidity is happening now - not sometime in 2060-7-80.

It may well be too late to do anything. But that doesn't make Twiggys speech any less real.

 
Nick Cater writing in the Evil Murdoch Press has a less than sanguin view of Twiggy and his dreams.

Mick
Yes I love Twiggies passion and enthusiasm and I bought FMG on the belief of his vision, but as Nick Carter says it is bottom of the garden stuff, the thing is though it has to start somewhere.
The major problem Twiggy has IMO, is the fact there really isn't a huge market yet for what he wants to make (H2), so a lot of development costs are really just going to be losses IMO.
It is a bit like the Tesla situation, they sold their first EV in 2008, but it really hasn't been until now that they have taken off, because there wasn't the demand and or the acceptance that the technology was going to become mainstream or practical, but now EV sales are on an exponential rise.
Twiggy has the same problem, hydrogen is a boutique product with a limited market and incredibly expensive and energy intensive to make.
So he really does need industry and Governments to back the move and drive the demand, unless that happens, it will be long term losses.
So it will show if the Governments are serious about global warming and addressing it, or are just using global warming as a vote catcher, there are still an awful lot of politicians buying waterfront properties.
From Twiggies perspective, it's a bitch being the pioneer, because everyone plays safe and sit back to watch if you fly or burn, before they want to get involved.
He's between a rock and a hard place, but if he pulls it off, it will be big bucks.:2twocents
 
Yes I love Twiggies passion and enthusiasm and I bought FMG on the belief of his vision, but as Nick Carter says it is bottom of the garden stuff, the thing is though it has to start somewhere.
The major problem Twiggy has IMO, is the fact there really isn't a huge market yet for what he wants to make (H2), so a lot of development costs are really just going to be losses IMO.
It is a bit like the Tesla situation, they sold their first EV in 2008, but it really hasn't been until now that they have taken off, because there wasn't the demand and or the acceptance that the technology was going to become mainstream or practical, but now EV sales are on an exponential rise.
Twiggy has the same problem, hydrogen is a boutique product with a limited market and incredibly expensive and energy intensive to make.
So he really does need industry and Governments to back the move and drive the demand, unless that happens, it will be long term losses.
So it will show if the Governments are serious about global warming and addressing it, or are just using global warming as a vote catcher, there are still an awful lot of politicians buying waterfront properties.
From Twiggies perspective, it's a bitch being the pioneer, because everyone plays safe and sit back to watch if you fly or burn, before they want to get involved.
He's between a rock and a hard place, but if he pulls it off, it will be big bucks.:2twocents
Worse than absent market or even feasability technically:
I noted
In the highly unlikely event Australia is producing 180 TWh of electricity from renewables by 2030, Forrest could gobble the lot and still fall 570 TWh short of what he needs.
So whatever way you look at it, unless for a fanatic brainless hare, it is a BS vision.
But hey, not the first one and he milks it.
 
Yes I love Twiggies passion and enthusiasm and I bought FMG on the belief of his vision, but as Nick Carter says it is bottom of the garden stuff, the thing is though it has to start somewhere.
The major problem Twiggy has IMO, is the fact there really isn't a huge market yet for what he wants to make (H2), so a lot of development costs are really just going to be losses IMO.
It is a bit like the Tesla situation, they sold their first EV in 2008, but it really hasn't been until now that they have taken off, because there wasn't the demand and or the acceptance that the technology was going to become mainstream or practical, but now EV sales are on an exponential rise.
Twiggy has the same problem, hydrogen is a boutique product with a limited market and incredibly expensive and energy intensive to make.
So he really does need industry and Governments to back the move and drive the demand, unless that happens, it will be long term losses.
So it will show if the Governments are serious about global warming and addressing it, or are just using global warming as a vote catcher, there are still an awful lot of politicians buying waterfront properties.
From Twiggies perspective, it's a bitch being the pioneer, because everyone plays safe and sit back to watch if you fly or burn, before they want to get involved.
He's between a rock and a hard place, but if he pulls it off, it will be big bucks.:2twocents
You want to see a pioneer, I see a..at least publicly crazy fanatic.
It does not mean it does not make sense for his pocket money .
Look at Qantas: vote Yes. And the government stop a competitor.
so Twiggy might buy as licence to run, export, exemption from native title obligations whatever...and it could be money making, especially as promises are just that as they are not technically possible
 
But hey, not the first one and he milks it.
There is a lot of money being thrown around on the dream, there is a lot of reputations on the line, there is another term in the wilderness in the offering if this reduction in electricity bills doesn't look like happening. ;)
 
Executive chairman Andrew Forrest, who spoke to local media earlier this week, said CEO Hick stepped aside following differences of opinion over the firm's green transition.

"What we have now is a literally galloping herd of people who want to see this company go green," he said, according to The Australian.
"So if you want to step outside that, you're given a choice. You're not fired, there's no disagreement, you're just given a choice: step back in, or you call it," Forrest was quoted as saying.

Hick had joined Fortescue in February, after a year-long search for a replacement for former chief executive Elizabeth Gaines.
Ian Wells, Fortescue's former chief financial officer, left in January, and acting chief financial officer of the energy division, Felicity Gooding, stepped down last month.

"We view the uncertainty created by multiple changes at the executive levels over the past several years as credit negative," Sean Williams, analyst at Moody's Investors Service said in a note earlier in the week. (Writing by Praveen Menon; Editing by Rashmi Aich and Michael Perry)
 
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